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I'm very disappointed that at our local cinema the Khalsa fauge is protesting outside and sending people away who want to watch it and gurdwaras are writing to them to get further showings removed.

https://www.facebook.com/Gurukhalsa11?ref=ts&fref=ts

We are happy for artist pictures to be drawn and put up. Even mediocre cartoons and low budget films made with drawings to depict characters.
We have 100s of saakhia told on stage without anyone questioning their validity or accuracy.
Take it to the next level and make a proper film and everyone jumps up and down.

I have been waiting so many years for something like this from the moment I watched Mahabarat and Ramayan. I used to think how great it would be if Sikh's made it of our Gurus. If I can't watch it in the movies I'm definitely going to buy the dvd and let my son watch it when he gets older.

I can't see the fuss over it myself. It seems that some Sikhs just need an "issue" to go vent some anger over.

Personally, given the acclaim that "Mahabharat" (the original), Ramayana (2 years ago) and "Devo ke Dev Mahadev" recieved, and the immense joy and learning I received from watching them, I always hoped that one day the Sikhs cold have replicated this. Sadly it may not be so.

If akal thakt already approved this movie why is it being banned now?

What is most important? i would Say Love...

the yearning that develops within...a sign of our love towards Him...or is it His love activating our heart and thus all His doing?

without love how can one wake up in the early hours to contemplate Him? when it is so much easier just to lay in a cosy bed and enjoy your sleep.

who makes all this happen? even the effort...is it all Him...when the time is right for us to awaken to the Truth is it Him that makes it all happen

You know our lot:

A bunch of them are pretty much guaranteed to go into hyper-bumlick mode once a goray with any position turns up. lol

Whatever happened to civil ways of addressing such issues. Enforced Community or Gurdwara seva (jode, etc). Such merciless beating, especially the elderly, is unjustified. These are no Sikhs rather new age masands.

very beautiful and soothing voice!

It don't get any clearer than this -

ਸਤਜੁਗਿ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਛਲਿਓ ਬਲਿ ਬਾਵਨ ਭਾਇਓ ॥
In Satyug, You enjoyed deceiving and liberating King Bali in the Vaman avtar.

ਤ੍ਰੇਤੈ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਰਾਮੁ ਰਘੁਵੰਸੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥
In Treta, You loved being called King Ram, of the Raghu Dynasty.
ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰਿ ਕੰਸੁ ਕਿਰਤਾਰਥੁ ਕੀਓ ॥
In Dwapar, You, Krishan Murara, killed Kans and saved everyone.

ਉਗ੍ਰਸੈਣ ਕਉ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਭੈ ਭਗਤਹ ਜਨ ਦੀਓ ॥
You granted Kingship to Ugrasain and elevated your devotees.

ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰੁ ਅੰਗਦੁ ਅਮਰੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥
In Kaliyug, You came as Guru Nanak Dev, Guru Angad Dev and Guru Amardas.

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਬਿਚਲੁ ਅਟਲੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖਿ ਫੁਰਮਾਇਓ ॥੭॥
The rule of Guru Sahibs is unchanging, unmovable, by His very command.

Guru Granth Sahib, 1390

A path which is meant to be experienced and causes for a ceaseless battle against the mind, through engaging the mind and heart...continously can not 'adequately' be "branded" as A or B.... This branding takes away the current agency and throws the engagement into a mode that is suspended in time..I agree there is a shared heritage but people are constantly looking for secrets within gurbani because their own mind 'resists' facing itself. What if terms such as saadh, sant, and especially 'naam' are not just simple signifiers allowing one to engage with gurbani to open up experience as opposed to deducing a logic?

So I say that we , as a collective, knew what was meant at one time when they said 'sikhi gaadi rah ya' (it is a straight route); the problem these days is that we have turned the sidhant into a fetish...I place myself at the forefront of this...

I watched this video while I was in grieving process of my Daadi , who had passed away the same day.
This was very emotional and scary at the same time.


This led me to reading the translation of Garuda Purana. And some of the things mentioned in there are the ones that Guru Arjan Dev Ji Mentions specifically when The Jam Hits your head with a rod to wake you up.
But at the same time there is comfort in the power of Naam and Gurbani which carries us across this Bhavsagar.

A great reminder indeed, neo bhaji!

ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਏਕੋ ਜਾਣੁ ॥
Know that the Guru and the Transcendent Lord are One

This is so true ! There is only one 'jyot" exist on the earth in the human form and you need to be have GREAT GREAT Fortune to see him or meet him . Even if I or somebody try to tell ,you will not have a faith on his words if you are not destined to meet that special one.
With Great Fortune I feel I am the blessed one who found him .Acutally he found us . we cannot find him ! So donot worry about finding him just yearn for it with prayers ,vairaag ,love and when your hunger gets to extreme he will appear.
like said " When disciple is ready Guru appears " Good Luck

The husband in above tuk means husband Lord.
All souls male or female are she or woman in bani as we need to connect to our husband. The Lord.

Or maybe not time travel but soul travel. Beyond this physical illusion, there is no time or space. All is ONE. There have been many stories of people soul travelling (astral projection) to other places.... including Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

Yes I am taking Amrit in Kashmir, and though they are no specific Jatha they allow women Panj Pyares. And have had female Panj Pyares.

Lol that map is intense.
Will be pretty difficult to read for newbies.

I greatly appreciate your efforts in fighting for Sikh rights (even though you are a non-Indian in ancestry). You should be a role model for many Sikhs around the globe. All Sikh females should look upon you for inspiration.

Once again, thanks a lot for whatever you have done for the khalsa panth.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

p.s. - I currently serve on the management committee here as treasurer. My sangat supported me when I fought for the right of Sikh women to tie turban in Canadian military, and when the story made it to even Indian newspapers when I became the first Sikh woman to tie dastar in Royal Canadian Navy, my Sangat bestowed me with siropa for opening the door for future Singhnis to do the same without having to fight for it. I am trying to be the change I want to see, by trying to make a difference where I can to uplift other Sikh women and girls. I don't actually do much langar seva... I was never good at cooking. But I try to do seva wherever else I can. Outside of being on the executive committee, I am part of the Defence Visible Minority Advisory Group and helped plan a National event at the base here, involving all the different ethnic communities and I was liaison for the Sikh community and the Hindu community here locally to raise awareness of who we are. All this even though I am not Punjabi. I am a gori who embraced Sikhi for the ideals it teaches in Gurbani about equality.

But to see people twist one liners from Gurbani to mean the opposite of what it's actually saying in order to justify women being inferior to men, just irks me to the core! Its disheartening for Singhnis!!!! Not to pick on you Paapiman but that one liner you posted can not be taken in the meaning you tried to apply to it. It has to be in context to the shabad. sorry... its not a poke at you personally, just this whole movement among the young Singhs that seem to want to pick on Singhnis for no other reason than to stir up trouble or feed their male egos. Trust me you aren't the only one on here and its not your fault that you were brought up or taught that way of thinking. That way of thinking though will not unify the panth. Eventually, it would end up with an all male membership with the girls all leaving to marry outside Sikhi and pursue other spiritual paths that do truly treat them as equals. It's inevitable unless attitudes change. Women taking subordinate roles may have been fine 500 years ago when they came from very bad position prior. But as time goes on, we as a human race need to realize what Gurbani was saying all along:

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ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਏਕ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮੋਈ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥
Gurmukẖ ek ḏarisat kar ḏekẖhu gẖat gẖat joṯ samo▫ī jī▫o. ||2||
As Gurmukh, look upon all with the single eye of equality; in each and every heart, the Divine Light is contained. ||2||

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

Now jumping around differentiating between suha and lal... But the below tuks show that both Lal and Suha can be used positively.

ਲਾਲ ਭਏ ਸੂਹਾ ਰੰਗੁ ਮਾਇਆ ॥ Instead of the pale color of Maya, I am imbued with the deep red color of the Lord's Love. ਮਃ 1 ਲੋਕਾ ਵੇ ਹਉ ਸੂਹਵੀ ਸੂਹਾ ਵੇਸੁ ਕਰੀ ॥ O people: I am in red, dressed in a red robe. ਮਃ 3 ਲਾਲ ਰੰਗ ਪੂਰਨ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਬਿਧਾਤਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ The Love of the Red Beloved, the Architect of Destiny, is perfect. ||1||Pause|| ਮਃ 5 ਲਾਲ ਰੰਗੁ ਤਿਸ ਕਉ ਲਗਾ ਜਿਸ ਕੇ ਵਡਭਾਗਾ ॥ One is dyed in the color of the Lord's Love, by great good fortune. ਮਃ 5 ਬਿਸਮ ਬਿਸਮ ਬਿਸਮ ਹੀ ਭਈ ਹੈ ਲਾਲ ਗੁਲਾਲ ਰੰਗਾਰੈ ॥ I am wonder-struck, wonder-struck, wonder-struck and amazed, dyed in the red color of my Beloved. ਮਃ 5

Am I not on Islamawareness by any chance?

The whole concept of removing parda was because you got to control your eyes and your kaam, not wear a sheet over others' body. Ofcourse some decency needs to be maintained while clothing but you are giving rules as if we're some Sharia.

I like this:

So a person's real identity is God but though we are all God, we are God asleep. And though we think we are awake we are really as in a dream. The awakening from this sleep or dream is the ultimate attainment described in all the World's religion and the realization of our true selves as God.

Truthseeker546, first and foremost, if you're really looking for answers then I'm sorry that you came to wrong location.

e.g

A old lady was looking on the road. A passerby thought to help this women, so he offered his help to the women. Both started to search for the "key" that the women has lost. Eventually, one wise man came and asked what's the problem. To which the women replied that she has lost her key inside the room which is dark. So, she came outside in the light to search for it. Wise man replied that if the key was lost inside, then go inside and turn on the light to search within the room.

e.g

Once a bird picked queen's very expensive necklace and flew away and obviously queen became sad. King ordered his servants to follow the bird and bring back the necklace but servants could not found the necklace. King made an announcement that whosoever will find the queen's necklace will be rewarded. After few days, a person reported that queen's necklace was seen in a pond. King immediately left for that pond along with his servants. When the king and his servants reached pond, they could clearly see the necklace at the bottom of the pond because the water in pond was clear and calm. King ordered his servants to dive into pond and bring back the necklace; the servants followed the order and searched for necklace in the pond but could not find it, king also joined them. The water in the pond gets muddy and ripples were created because of the king and its servants activity in the pond. After searching in vain, they came out of pond and tried to see the necklace but as water was full of mud and ripples they can no longer see the necklace in the pond. They waited for some time to get the mud settle at the bottom and water be clear of ripples. Once water is calm and clear again, they can again see the necklace at the bottom. They again dived into water to get the necklace but could not find one. They repeated the above procedure for a full day. Finally, a wise man was passing by and he asked why King and his servants are spoiling their clothes in pond. He was told the whole story. The wise man asks them to show him the necklace in pond to which he was shown the necklace in the pond. The wise man after seeing the necklace in pond immidiately responded that King and his servants are looking at the image of necklace and the real necklace is hanging at the tree at the banks of that pond. Same way, we are looking for God and searching for happiness in the external world (which is the image/creation of God) and eventually getting pains, but the real place of God's abode is within everyone and outside.

Bottom line is if you're really after the answers, then please search within and you'll find out the truth.

Now, as far the questions are concerned, let's start the argument. Here are MY (egotistical I) Right answers;


CENTER path leads to Source/Truthful home.
RIGHT side leads to Higher planes but ends in blind-ally.
LEFT side leads to many Powers (Ridhi-Sidhis).

SOURCE
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MANY OTHER SPIRITUAL PLANES
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SPIRITUAL PLANES (i.e Trikuti: the planes from which one does not need to incarnate into physical body.)
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First of all, reincarnation is NOT a system of purification of the Soul. But at the same time if one's Soul is under the guidance of enlightened being (or say in the middle pipe as shown in the figure), then the next reincarnations in the form of human could be utilized as a system of purification.
Only if Soul is in middle pipe, then the reincarnation in human form is a chance to purify the Soul. But otherwise if the Soul is not in the middle pipe, the reincarnation is only the result of his/her deeds/desires. But also remember that anyone can be part of that middle pipe while in the human incarnation as only Humans can consciously progress.
So, it means that reincarnation was NEVER meant for purification, it was purely a devised system to keep running this whole universe (cycle after cycle) but at the same time there exists a chance in human incarnation to become part of middle pipe. In other words, Human Birth is a golden chance to cut short this reincarnation of 84 million species.
Now, the question is if one could remember the past lives living in poor conditions (physical/mental/emotional) as human beings or as animals; then the person can do something to progress on the path of spirituality. But the problem is that nobody remembers the past lives. It is because of the 3 boons given to Time entity. Time (or say the entity responsible for Time/Creation) has requested the following 3 boons from the Source/God:
1. Nobody will know of his or her past life.
2. Nobody should know about his or her exact time and date of death.
3. The Masters/Enlightened beings/Saints/Gurus should NOT grant Holy Initiation to the humans by showing miracles but simply hold Satsangs and if the dear ones come up of themselves and seek initiation, only then should they be initiated. This is how one becomes part of middle pipe.

Yes, all the natural objects including rocks does have souls. That being said, animals or rocks canNOT consciously make decisions to move up to higher forms. They cannot do anything good to move up the higher forms (unless some Saint/Guru interfere in the cycle e.g a ant killed by the step of Saint) . They are just experiencing what they desired or as per their own deeds/thoughts. There is a cycle of 84 million in which souls can attain some physical form but only the Human form does have the capability to CHOOSE CONSCIOUSLY as per his good/bad deeds.
So, in general, animals and/inanimate objects cannot move consciously to higher forms. Everything is their life is pre-determined and their cycle of 84 million is also pre-determined. So, yes after completing their 84 million -1 births, they do get human form (a chance) but that is by the process and NOT by their choice.

This all was decided by the Time entity who is responsible for the whole universe. This was decided by him and nobody has an idea what was the criteria. But one thing is for sure that either Desire OR Karma are the ONLY things which could lead the soul from higher forms to lower forms during the creation. Those who desire to experience the lower forms were given that form and the ones who doesn't desire, they were attached a first bad karma/thought of the Time entity to pull them into lower forms. OR may be souls want a chance (human form) in order to lead to God/Source. After all Time is the Mind factor (who creates its own destiny).

This is half truth. The human race's life is decreasing day by day. It used to be many thousand years old. In the past, governance was the perfect. But yes, population is increasing. Why? It's better to ask the Creator. Here is just a guess. I don't think any person can have a clue on that (unless that person happens to be a Saint). Here are couple of things to understand.
First of all, the entity responsible for everything is normally called Time has 2 major powers: Time and Space. He is able to use time delays for enlarging the space, and in fact he does so. This is also the reason why scientists detect that the universe is enlarging.
First of all, the Time entity had also taken promise from the Source's good power (to pull the soul back from lower planes) would not interfere extensively in Time's universe for the first 3 yugs (Satyug, Trethayug, Duvaparyug). Now, we're in Kalyug (Iron age) where many good Souls (coming directly from Source) are coming with greater power and disclosing the greater secrets to reach the Source e.g Bhagti/Meditation path. So, may be more Souls from higher planes are taking birth in order to go more further.
Or may be the Time entity is also increasing its forces in the shape of humans to counteract the good powers and spread misinformation. or something like that.
Again, if you want real answers, then search from within (where the Source is and which is beyond the Mind/Intellect).

It's not about Sikhism. It's evolution in Spiritual. You/Soul progress to higher and higher forms until it reached the Source.

No, nobody reach to higher forms via any religion including Sikhism. All the religions are meant to educate us about the middle pipe. Religion in itself is nothing. When any religion started, it was supposed to teach the real path. But with time, the real teaching of any religion are corrupted with dogmas. So, after a while The Source sends His Masters to re-educate people and people ended up capturing the teachings in a box but the Masters/Saints never wanted to define boundaries around the teachings. Even people today have already trapped the teachings of Sikh Gurus in a box and has produced dogmas. I'm sure that after many thousand years, Sikhs would forget the real teachings and twist the teachings and thus another Saint/Master will come to re-teach us.

Truth Seeker, here is my understanding of how Creator is formless, and is also all forms:

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Ang 736:



The Ultimate truth is ONE pure Universal Creative (formless) Consciousness. From this ALL forms arise. Consciousness doesn't just happen, consciousness just 'is' because its the base truth to all reality.

Think of it as a dream. This reality is as a dream... SGGSJ likens it to a dream many times over. Think when you dream at night. The 'YOU' that's dreaming essentially is formless (Your consciousness...your physical body is not in the dream). There are many characters in the dream, and they are ALL you. Even if you only interact and experience as one at one time only. In reality, every character, every blade of grass, every stone are you. While in the dream, those forms seem just as real as forms in this reality do.... until you wake up. Now, understand WHO is the dreamer really? This reality is another dream.

Creator, has no form (Ultimate reality), but has many millions of forms (everything within the dream). Those forms can even have their own dreams where they create again...a dream within a dream.

Kirtan Sohila describes it as thus: "You have thousands of Lotus Feet, and yet You do not have even one foot. You have no nose, but you have thousands of noses."

Creator / Consciousness has no form. It just 'IS' Yet, through its own creation, it is ALL FORMS. Yet all those forms (us) are only experiencing through a tiny veil of consciousness. The Doer, the Experiencer behind ALL of us, is one in the same, but our experiences differ because of this illusion of separateness. It's really ONE dream and ONE dreamer only.

Chandi, Vishnu, Brahma, Rudra/Shiva etc. Are not Gods, the 10th Patshah didn't worship them, as they (Gurus) make it clear in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Itself.

ਜੁਗਹ ਜੁਗਹ ਕੇ ਰਾਜੇ ਕੀਏ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਕਰਿ ਅਵਤਾਰੀ ॥
ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਕਿਆ ਕਰਿ ਆਖਿ ਵੀਚਾਰੀ ॥੭॥ -ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ
"In every age (Jugh/Yuga), He creates the kings, who are sung of as His Incarnations.
Even they have not found His limits; what can One speak of and contemplate? ||7||"

Note: the Word 'Avtari', The Guru is talking specifically of the Avtars (Hindu Pantheon).

ਅਨਕ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਾ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਮਹੇਸ਼ਨੰ
ਅਨਕ ਦੇਵੀ ਦੁਰਗਾ ਵੈਸ਼ਨੰ॥
ਅਨਕ ਰਾਮ ਕਿਸ਼ਨ ਅਵਤਾਰਨੰ
ਅਨਕ ਨਰਸਿੰਘ ਹਰਨਾਕਸ਼ ਮਾਰਨੰ॥-ਜੋਤਿ ਬਿਗਾਸ (ਮੂਲ ਪੰਜਾਬੀ) ਭਈ ਨੰਦ ਲਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ

"There are Countless Brahmas, Vishnus, Maheshes, and countless Devis, Durgas, and Vaishnu Devis.
There are numerous Rams and Krishna's Avtars.
Countless Narsinghas slaying Harnakashs."

There is no conflict between Polytheism and Monotheism in Sikhi, when there isn't Polytheism to begin with.

ਸੋ ਮੁਖੁ ਜਲਉ ਜਿਤੁ ਕਹਹਿ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਜੋਨੀ ॥੩॥
ਜਨਮਿ ਨ ਮਰੈ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥
ਨਾਨਕ ਕਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਰਹਿਓ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੪॥੧॥ -ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ
"Let that mouth be burnt, which says that our Lord and Master is subject to birth. ||3||
He is not born, and He does not die; He does not come and go in reincarnation."

The Guru has made it clear from the above Tukk that God does not reincarnate/ go through the cycle of birth and death. So how could these Avtars be his direct Incarnations?

ਨਾਨਕ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ਹੋਰਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਰਵਾਲ ॥
ਕੇਤੀਆ ਕਨ੍ਹਹ ਕਹਾਣੀਆ ਕੇਤੇ ਬੇਦ ਬੀਚਾਰ ॥ -ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ
"O, Nanak, the Lord is fearless and formless; myriads of others, like Rama, are mere dust before Him.
There are so many stories of Krishna, so many who reflect over the Vedas."

ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਿਬਸਨੁ ਮਹਾਦੇੳੁ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਭੁਲੇ ਹੳੁਮੈ ਮੋਹੁ ਵਧਾਿੲਅਾ ॥-ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ
"Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva wander in the three qualities, while their egotism and desire increase."

These "Dieties" are no different than us, they aren't Unique.

I've heard 3 points regarding the Hindu Pantheon:
1) The Avtars are like another people (like humans), who exist but are practically nothing special, I was told this from my Taksali Ustad and Akhand Kirtani Jatha.
2) They are/were just People in history who became Infamous or famous due to their actions and the Stories related to them.
3) they are just people.

Over all, they aren't supposed to be Worshipped nor are they God(s).

ਦੋਹਰਾ॥
ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕਉ ਛਾਡ ਕਰਿ ਭਜੈ ਦੇਵ ਕੋਈ ਅਉਰ
ਜਨਮ ਜਨਮ ਭ੍ਰਮਤਾ ਫਿਰਹਿ ਲਹਹਿ ਨ ਸੁਖ ਕੀ ਠਉਰ ॥੧੬॥
ਪਾਹਨ ਕੀ ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰੈ ਸਿਖ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਵਹਿ ਸੀਸ ਸੋ ਸਾਕਤ ਨਿਗੁਰਾ ਸਦਾ ਮਾਰਿਆ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਜਗਦੀਸ॥੧੭॥ -ਰਹਿਤਨਾਮਾ ਭਾਈ ਪ੍ਰਹਿਲਾਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ
"They who leave Akaal Purkh, and start to worship Hindu deities,
They will wander through birth after birth, and will never find true peace.
They who do idol worship and do not treat another Sikh with respect.
That person is forever without a Guru, and is destroyed by the Lord of the world."

ਸਵੈਯਾ॥ ਪਾਿੲ ਗਹੇ ਜਬ ਤੇ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਤਬ ਤੇ ਕੋੳੂ ਅਾਂਖ ਤਰੇ ਨਹੀ ਅਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂਂ ਮਤ ੲੇਕ ਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ॥ ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਸਬੈ ਬਹੁ ਭੇਦ ਕਹੈ ਹਮ ੲੇਕ ਨ ਜਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਸਪਾਨ ਿਕ੍ਰਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਰਿ ਮੈ ਨ ਕਹਯੋ ਸਭ ਤੋਿਹ ਬਖਾਨਯੋ ॥
-ਚਉਬੀਸ ਅਵਤਾਰ, ਸ੍ੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਹਿਬ ਜੀ
"Svaiyya ||
O God ! the day when I caught hold of your feet, I do not bring anyone else under my sight; none other is liked by me now; the Puranas and the Quran try to know Thee by the names of Ram and Rahim and talk about you through several stories, but I do not acknowledge them.
The Simritis, Shastras and Vedas describe several mysteries of yours, but I do not agree with any of them.
O sword-wielder God! This all has been described by Thy Grace, what power can I have to write all this? || 863 ||

The Guru made his point about these 24 Avtars quite clear in the Chaubees Avtar Bani itself. Chaubees Avtar was written so that the Sikhs did not have to rely Brahmins/Pandits. This Bani was written to envoke the feeling of Dharam Yudh to the Khalsa and give Moral lessons, just like in Sri Charitaropakhyan Sahib.

ਚੌਪੲੀ ॥ ਮੈ ਨ ਗਨੇਸਿਹ ਿਪ੍ਰਥਮ ਮਨਾੳੂਂਂ ॥ ਿਕਸਨ ਿਬਸਨ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨਿਹ ਿਧਅਾੳੂਂਂ ॥ ਕਾਨ ਸੁਨੇ ਪਹਿਚਾਨ ਨ ਿਤਨ ਸੋ ॥ ਿਲਵ ਲਾਗੀ ਮੋਰੀ ਪਗ ਿੲਨ ਸੋ ॥੨॥ - ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ ਅਵਤਾਰ, ਸ੍ੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਹਿਬ ਜੀ
Chaupai ||
"I do not adore Ganesha in the beginning and also do not mediatate on Krishna and Vishnu; I have only heard about them with my ears and I do not recognize them; my consciousness is absorbed at the feet of the Supreme Kal (the Immanent Brahman I.e. God).434."

Chandi Di Var, Sri Sarbloh Granth/Mangalacharan Puran, Chaubees Avtar, Brahma Avtar, Ram Avtar, Var Sri Bhagat Bhagouti, Hanuman Natak, and Chandi Charitars were written for Bir Raas, giving Moral lessons, and teaching the Khalsa Panth. Sri Dasam Patshah Ki Granth was written to properly shape the Charitar (character) and mind of a Sikh of the Sri Guru Khalsa Panth Sahib Jee.

I wonder if the concepts of Nirgun/Sargun will help answer your question?

On a side note, really loving the intellectual conversation here.