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ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਏਕੋ ਜਾਣੁ ॥
Know that the Guru and the Transcendent Lord are One

Kakaars are kes, kanga, kara, kachera, kirpan. Out of these kes can't be misplaced, for kanga, kara, kirpan we have to do Japji Sahib and then do ardas for forgiveness at the time of replacing of the kakaar. But in case of kachera we alone can't get forgiveness, we have to get any five amritdhari Singhs and they collectively do ardas on your behalf in front of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee, only then you are forgiven. Regarding sewa that depends on you, any sewa is good if you want to do.

Interesting!
Some of you may be aware that I had experienced a NDE and was in a coma for nearly a month...but I don't go into details on an open forum.
This guy was talking about it just after a year... but in all honesty...it takes more than a few years to put all the pieces together and understand it.

I can usually comprehend the genuine NDE descriptions,so I will give my opinion on this one....and it is fairly genuine, except that I think he hasn't fully understood and realized yet !

My opinion is that he did come from one of the heavenly realms before his life on earth.
The fact, that in this life, he rejected God, the power, the divine...... is why he was susceptible to all the darker and negative energies which accounted for his numerous illnesses.

The easiest way to think of how these energies work is to think of your 'SOUL' or God energy as that which exists as a white light.
The more attached to God and the more God realized ---->>then the brighter and stronger the energy of this white light.

Stronger white light in a body---->>>makes the body less susceptible to energies of dark light... this also means poot, pret, jantar mantar, curses, black magic...and all that.... are less likely to affect such body.

Then on the other hand, if a person has hardly any white divine light in them---->>> then, their bodies are more likely to be consumed by the darker and depriving energies of ill health, disease, depression...and even suicide.

Think of "GU-RU"...from darkness to light !


He witnessed the Cosmic arrangement and from what he was trying to explain as really fast travel--->>>was about the real ''interstellar'' cosmic shift through light years of space in no concept of time!... 5th dimension!
This is how "Gobind"-(Lord of the Universe)....shows you what your existence really is.
It is tailored for each individual, which is why, No two experiences are ever exactly the same !.... OR they wouldn't be called experiences.

He said that wherever he was, "in this valley"... he felt comfortable and at home to say!....... that's because he had come from there originally, which means he was already out of lakh chaurasi before birth! (not sure if some of you will get this...can explain later)

Basically, the only way that he could move up from any of those heavens to sachkhand.. was by taking birth as a human again.... and from some of the heaven loks, you can actually do this by choice or will.

Human birth-existence, means---->>> live out or bhog your karams,, which are basically the weight that hold you into a realm.

However, his denial and complete lack of dharam (one of the four padaraths)----->>> predisposed him to the darker energies of ill-being and ill health.

But the biggie for him was the Blessing of GRACE and KIRPA by Akaal Purakh..........so that he got another chance to complete his duties.
This is HUKAM--->>>None of us can ever explain how or why.


This is what happens when you get thrown back into lack chaurasi again......the jamdoots come and club you with the iron dhandey, tie you up in shackles and lead you away as Kabirji says in gurbani.
You see, this guy was already out of the lack chaurasi from his previous janam, which is why he went straight into some lower/middle heaven lok--->>>since, he cam from there originally.

The other point is that as Guru Tegh Bahadurji describes...."This janam and life is just like a dream, when we wake up(which is when we die),-->> we realize that none of this life was real."

If you just imagine that when you are in a dream---->>It all seems quite real when you are in it...the people,.....the interactions,.... everything.... will seem like a reality in the dream state...... But, when you wake up-->>You realize that it wasn't real after all,.... it was just a dream, and now you are in the reality...dam-gotta getup in 30 mins and go to work
In the same manner,.... Death is like the waking up from this matrix illusion.


A reason why there is a difference within NDE descriptions is,.. because it depends on what and where you were from in previous janams.
Lakh chaurasi is the complete universal cycle and then there are all the heaven loks that go from lower to higher realms but there are some levels after which you cannot ascend unless you have human birth.

The ascension within realms can happen, but this is in the ones where jamdoots take you, where you have to realize, learn and accept all your dark wrongdoings.
So for eg,, you may end up in the dark pit of where all the murderer jivas are.... You will enjoy their company until you realise, accept and learn your own shortcomings and sin of murdering.....in doing so, you will be able to rise above the rest, as your inner light will get brighter.... then you move on to the next lessons.....and so on.....


The MAIN point that I can stress is that, when a soul jiva is in this Human Life form---->>> This is it's only chance to jap, meditate, get the one-pointed awareness......so that it can go straight --->>> Sachkhand.
The Direct one way plane ticket that Guru Nanak Ji has taught us-->>Nanak naam jahaz hai


In the Video, Mr Jaswal has got some idea about his mind-no thoughts-...etc...because he mentioned it a few times....But he hasn't quite said that he has deciphered the message that he must Jap and meditate. This is why he was given the second chance.


As I stated above, I don't go into details about my NDE on an open forum, but I can tell you all that the main message and duty that I came back for was ...Jap, Simran ..and bhagti on His Name.
That was the ONLY thing I knew I had to do but I had never done it previously. In fact, I was never even spiritually inclined in any way.........so it took me a couple of years to work out how to get going and do bhagti.


The Dhan/Wealth of Naam is only carried forward from this realm of human life.

Sat Sri Akaal

Very interesting discussion.

cut down GARAM foods ....cut down spices,,,masalas and all that.
cold showers.....and real cold mate..until you screaming inside and lungs start pumping.
DO yoga and breathing...especially root chakra flow..........you have too much warm dark energy below your navel....this needs to be distributed throughout your body..so you can get cooler inside......when this heat starts to get released...you may experience jock-itch and fungal infections because it will be coming out of skin.. this will be easily treatable and then you may be fixed!......or it may start going downwards in your body in which case you get episodes of athletes foot-which is another heat related fungal issue,..again easily treatable,
 
 
 

Waheguru ji
The pause between the breathe -in and out even though less than a second is actually quite significant according to my experience.. That little moment when you stop and are neither breathing in or out is when you are actually charging up or putting your subtle energies together. Not only that, but you are putting your dhyian and awareness there and that is essential if you want to control that corrupted, unsettled mind of ours!
When you put it into that little space and listen to the dhun of wahe-guru, you will also find it easier to HEAR your own self inside. .........Funny thing is this ''holding breath still to gather and maximise sukham energies'' is actually done by all of us without realising......Think of when you trying to put your Jhor in say opening a tight top on a jar ..., or about to kick a ball,... shoot a basketball, ...or lift something heavy??.......have you realised that you hold that breath momentarily ?
As you carry on and proceed in simran with your utmost pyaar, ...then those moments when you will first start to hear pavan shabads and then anhad shabads ..they all get noticed in that little moment of stillness!
 
As for, to start off your jaap by a few deep breaths and breathe in--hold---breathe out,......this helps you get tuned in and breathe out some of the filth roaming around inside us..
 
 

 

Hi das, few points;
1. Sri Guru granth Sahib Jee = Waheguru (God), so that means Gyaan(knowledge) in SGGS is infinite, how can its explanation be put on paper and written in language which has its limitations. But since Guru Sahib is Waheguru Himself and can do anything, and put this gyaan on paper. Now Guru sahib will write exactly the 100% true meanings on the Gurbani, not near 100% but exactly the truth as it is.
2. Now Jaap sahib says Waheguru Jee is "Nirbhujh", "Assujh", we have the meanings is front of us, Does our "Buddhi" understands what it says, looks hard to me.
3. So, why Guru Sahib did not write when Guru Sahib could, its like saying if 2 year old ask how babies are made, even if the person is Phd. in biology and know all, won't make the child understand the actual reality. So it ends up saying stork put babies in mother lap, and that is not the truth, even if Guru sahib want to tell oust exact thing we won't understand.
4. Also its my understading that Waheguru intention is for the human to struggle and find his own answers at his pace. Also I think gurbani goal to "bhujanna" not just memorizing the meanings. I am just rambling, your thoughts.

I don't know much and apologize in advance but I think SGGS Jee gives us guidelines, basic attributes of God, what to do, what not to do, whom to look up to like sants, importance of sangat, like that. Along with is the main component which is missing in this conversation that is simran on waheguru mantra, As simran goes to higher stages, buddhi goes more subtle and hidden arths of the gurbani emerges. 
To find Waheguru in Guru granth sahib jee, we need to have mind of purest level which can be attained by simran. Only then we can "Bhujj" him.
Mind which understands arths have no access to soul, and we have to merge our soul(drop) to waheguru(ocean), and accessing of our soul is only done by simran, as far as I know.
Complete sant necessity arises when the sikh reaches higher stages of simran, and need guidance from other Gursikh who himself tread through similar paths to reach ultimate destination sachkhand. Thoughts?
 

Ha ha, Do they(SGPC) think that panj pyaare is a post that can be suspended, I think waheguru Jee wants to clean all the mess at one go.

Ha ha, Do they(SGPC) think that panj pyaare is a post that can be suspended, I think waheguru Jee wants to clean all the mess at one go.

I am NOT suggesting that one needs Dehghari Guru, actually I'm NOT suggesting anything, if you read Guru Granth Sahib Ji (WITHOUT THE history in mind), then it would be quite clear that Guru Ji HIMSELF (Sri Gruru Granth Sahib Ji) is talking about the necessity/need of Sants. Guru Gobind Singh Ji never said that Sants are not required. If a person really takes Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as his/her Guru, then he/she would be more looking for Sat-Sangat (company of the Truth - the ones who has already achieved something). In other words, if you're really a seeker and have taken Amrit to become Guru-Ka-Sikh, then isn't this a duty of student to listen to his/her Guru (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji)? These days, our thinking is: Take Amrit, do Paths and then declare that we have Guru and we don't need Sants. It's has become ritual for us and we never bothered to take a deep look into what Guru is saying.
If a mere darshan of a real Sant can be beneficial (many references in Guru Granth Sahib Ji), then think about what would be achieved if we're able to serve Him? And here I'm talking about REAL Sants and not the ones who are in news for one reason or the other.
Sant is
- NOT the one who teach you
- NOT the one who guide you
- NOT the one who instructs you
- NOT the one who gives you the meaning of Scripture(s)
- NOT the mediator.
The above mentioned ones could be Kathakars, excellent teachers, very high Spiritual state but NOT the Sants. Even though a Sant could do all the above but that is one of His techniques.
Sant is
- THE one who has come from the Dargah (Karak) to take the souls back home.
- THE one who can produce many other Sants and give them any duty.
- THE one which gives you an internal experience and then it is upto seeker to develop that.
- THE one which gives us the Vivek budh using which we can try to see the real cause. i.e then we can look-within. self-introspection.
e.g Once Arjun (excellent archer) heard about a old Saint who is known to be excellent archer even better than him. At that point of time, arjun already had all the education and training. So, arjun went to see him and requested him to teach him. The Sant said that I don't have anything to TEACH you, YOU already KNOW what is needed for the best archer. The Sant also mentioned that he has not taken the bor/arrow for the last many decades and the Sant asked arjun to go for a bath in river.
Arjun and the Sant started walking towards a little pond; on the way they had to cross a very wek temporary rope bridge over the 2 mountains. The Sant asked arjun for his bow and arrow as he wanted to check if he remembered everything. The Sant walked on the rope bridge (which was moving side-to-side) and then stopped in the middle of the bridge to take the aim at one of the fruit hanging from the tree in the mountain. He hit the aim. Arjun was astonished at the Sant's feet. The Sant asked the arjun to try the same shot again from the bridge. It took arjun many minutes to just stabilize himself on the moving rope and he shot the arrow so badly that it didn't even hit the tree what to say about the fruit. Now, the Sant mentioned to arjun that arjun does have ALL THE KNOWLEDGE but still lacks the STABLENESS.
In other words, Sant is The one which provides support to our Soul in this moving maya world. He gives us the spark which holds us stable and we need to develop that stableness further.
HE cannot be found no matter how hard we try, no matter how hard we think, no matter how hard we do self-introspection, no matter how hard we look within. We cannot find the ONE which was never lost, HE IS here. BUT HE HIMSELF discloses HIMSELF when we've tried our best and eventually have Surrended......... [Karma, Surrender, Vivek]

Nanaksar style Kirtan:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq-cqgK-OdzbTrVxUmeFCEw
 
Bhul chuk maaf

Here is another different interview... it was in print in Times India Chandigarh November 17 2014 Issue:

Some of you will find this entertaining.  Interview was from last November, but The Sikh Review printed it in the Sept 2015 issue.  I don't care if my real name is in it (previous and new one both) I don't have anything to hide.
However, I am praying that there won't be any personal attacks either through the Sangat here in person etc...as a result of my posting this. Please keep your negative comments / attacks to here only. 
 

Hi Neo, this is what I think, we all have a general idea about most of the regular forum members how they think and their personal viewpoints, which is perfectly fine. But problem arises when you start vomiting the same opinion again and again, without trying to understand what the other person is saying, and then replying again and again, and arguing without any second thought. If you don't agree its fine, but why put words in other person mouth and drag the issue unnecessarily. Hell don't reply.
I mostly come here to know learn something new, you know there are few gems here on forum, its privilege to learn from them. Also latest news like from kotkapura incident, which I know only because of the forum, its my medium to get news. I am not ungrateful but the forum just drains your energy with the B.S. going on in recent past. You are the boss, find a way to fix it. I guess some members might agree forum is in loop mode.
Bring topics from which we all can learn and contribute to, about quality, be more strict, people will change their habits if you force your hand, sikhkhoj is an example, that dude.

Hi Neo, this is what I think, we all have a general idea about most of the regular forum members how they think and their personal viewpoints, which is perfectly fine. But problem arises when you start vomiting the same opinion again and again, without trying to understand what the other person is saying, and then replying again and again, and arguing without any second thought. If you don't agree its fine, but why put words in other person mouth and drag the issue unnecessarily. Hell don't reply.
I mostly come here to know learn something new, you know there are few gems here on forum, its privilege to learn from them. Also latest news like from kotkapura incident, which I know only because of the forum, its my medium to get news. I am not ungrateful but the forum just drains your energy with the B.S. going on in recent past. You are the boss, find a way to fix it. I guess some members might agree forum is in loop mode.
Bring topics from which we all can learn and contribute to, about quality, be more strict, people will change their habits if you force your hand, sikhkhoj is an example, that dude.

That's good.............but Sat, it's actually a little more than that.
You see the mantra itself helps to wake up and manifest the powers of the MIND.
Our limited buddhi doesn't even realise the powers that are hidden and tucked away in this Jyot Saroop Mann.
Thus, Mantra is a 'tool' that is specific in knocking and waking that mind.
NOTE ...man-tra is man=Mind and tra= Tool.

Paapiman, please show me where I've mentioned that this is the excuse to dance? Understand the realy point, as long as your mind is dancing but you're sitting (betraying yourself) in meditation, then what's the use? On the other had if someone is dancing by remembering HIM, then it is good.
Yes, too much physicaly exertion (which does includes any type of dancing, exercising, running etc.) are known to put the mind on spin, but that doesn't mean one should stop exercising and thus missing the whole point: we missed the point that the all the problems are because of mind and all the solutions are to calm the mind. Walking on your interpretation, one would ban dancing, singing, music etc just like the Mughals did. Stop seeing everything in black and white.
Here my point is NOT to prove or disapprove that bhangra and/or giddha is good or not. My point is don't put soo much pressure on do this vs that; this is allowed vs not-allowed. Otherwise, you're bound for failure because you didn't understand the purpose. Purpose is to calm the mind e.g Karma are NOT supposed to take one over the world, but you cannot live without performing karma. Therefore, always try to see good. So, let's try this today: BHANGRA.
On a serious note, you and Satkirin seems to have so much time to post and repeat your limited point of view without ever bothering other's point of view. I wish if I could have so much spare time. I would be better if we all save this time of typing the mind shit to something better for OURSELF.

I guess we're all missing the core point here, which boils down to only 2 points:
Food is the necessity of Human body, one needs food in order to survive. In other words "We eat to live and NOT live to eat". Grace and Good karmas are required for Soul's travel to its destination but Human Body's is the Soul's carrier. Therefore, try to do minimize the bad karma (be it drinking alcohol, plants, vegetables, meat, eggs, milk, day-to-day work or anything you can think of) so your Mind can progress and go beyond it. Basically, everything has karma attached to it (including breathing because we ingest bacteria!!), so be cautious. Just try to minimize where you've knowledge and potential. In Gurbani, wherever any thing is mentioned (including the shabads referenced above), it is revolving around the above 2 mentioned points AT THE SAME TIME. You cannot just take one and leave the other. That's where BabaJi has mentioned that "The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom."

Veer, please end the practice of allowing guests to post in any controversial topics. I feel it invites trolls. 
A way around this might be to open sections of the forum for guests and close off any sections that might have controversial posts to only members. But allow all to view, similar to how Sikh Sangat has it. 

Handwritten Bir of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji which I had the privilege to photograph at Gurdwara Mattan Sahib in Kashmir. This Bir does not come out often (for obvious reasons) so I feel very fortunate to have had this chance! Photos are my copyright (Harkiran Kaur) but feel free to use if credit given. 

Yes, there are spirits around us. I have the experience when I was kid. There was a young woman who got suicide in the house by hanging to fan and her family just left the house, no funeral ceremonies, nothing done. Like the horror movie plot, my known friend family moved in there. That young woman spirit start overpowering my friend's mom and her health takes toll. So, in short, my friend family called a person who is known to control spirits via mantra siddhi, something like that. Unluckily, I was in their home when this person came. I sat along with friend's family in the living room and all rooms were bolted. He was standing there doing some mantar with water in hand. And boom, the door near which he was standing hard knocked from inside. I was scared in my jammies, where the F@#k I m stuck. Anyways, the person(mantra man) go inside the room and start asking the spirit why she was harassing the family. And then, he said to the spirit come with me to my place and I will help you.
Here comes the big moment, all I heard was one word said by spirit "where". It was unmistakably said by a young woman with accent from rural background. I was awake 2 nights after that.
And the persons who came along with this mantra man, were sitting outside the home in their car, said that a naked woman came out covered with blood all over her body. 
So thats my experience with them.

And before this thread goes down hill again, I just want to mention that Sikh women who are engrossed in Simran/Naam/Baani and live under the fear of Guru Ji are spiritually elevated and give advice which not benefits the husband but also many families.
And as I mentioned above, ਰੰਨਾ ਹੋਈਆ ਬੋਧੀਆ ਪੁਰਸ ਹੋਏ ਸਈਆਦ ॥  & Charitropakhyan Women examples
applies to only manmukh men & women who are deeply engrossed in lust & attachment.  It does not apply to spiritual Sikh men & women.  However, this is based only on my personal insight I am not a scholar or spiritually elevated person myself.