Lucky

Exactly........Why waste all your energy on these arguments.
No one is winning, and no one ever will...........instead ALL just leave themselves spiritually drained.

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I am going to make a deep metaphorical statement here borrowed from someone:
Husbands do bow down to their wives. ... in a different way....
Those who are married will understand that ^.

Can we just stop all the topics around DDT etc... We get that papimaan is pro taksali and sikh Khoi and satkiran are vehemently against the DDT etc... It's been two weeks and now it feels like we are just beating a dead horse... It's rather annoying.

In my opinion every jatha has faults but some Jathas are better then others.. For example I know that the nihangs and taksal do have some faults but in my opinion they are much closer to the Rehit prescribed in 1699...

So the reason behind this post is to just tell people just chill..

Quite a few people recently have been asking both on the forum and privately if what they are hearing is naam/sehaj dhun/toor etc. I cannot really confirm to anyone if what they are hearing is the true one or not but you might find the following explanation useful. I can definitely relate to what is being said in this youtube video because when it happened to me I reacted in exactly the same way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yw5J9LZ_yg&t=115m40s

The relevant bit is at time index 01:55:40 which i have tried to incorporate into the url above.

It is always amazing when simple threads spontaneously turn into a weath of great spiritual knowledge, sharing the universal truthes, cross-referencing via different sources leading to One Truth.

Waheguru ...

Yes you are right veer ji.Guru sahib and Guru Baani is the answer of everything,but still some ppl like me are too ignorant.There are many shabads in Gurbani,which talk about hell and jamdoots.(BTW ,Video was veryyyy much frightening) May Guru Nanak patsah shows his divine blessings upon us by opening of tenth gate and we get sehaj anand as per tuk:

Adisatt Agochar Parbrahm,Mil saadu Akathh kathaya tha(the supreme lord is imperceptible and unfathomable; and on meeting the holy saint I speak the unspoken speech)
Anahad Shabad Dasam Dwar Vajeo,Teh Amrit Naam CHuaaya tha(the unstruck sound current of shabad vibrates nad resounds in the tenth gate and ambrosial nectar trickles down there)

I think we are too lucky,for having birth with such wisdom to differentiate between good and bad & Gurbani is the most precious and biggest gift of Almighty.May waheguru Ji makes our lives worthwhile and every loving soul reach the destination ,they are looking for.
WAH-HE-GURU!!
Milabae Ki Mehma Baran Na saaku,Nanak Parae PAreela(The great honour of meeting the lord cant be described;O Nanak its infinite and beyond measure)

Excellent stuff Sukrit ji

Some very valuable information is there.
Whilst reading, It reminded me about the importance gurbani places on the 9 gates/openings and the 10th hidden dwar.
It is very much believed that the soul leaves the body through any of the 9 openings at death and people with sixth sense have witnessed this and sometimes even a physical incident occurs at the same time such as discharge from mouth, nose, feces... ears....

However, Guru Nanak ji has strongly advised the sikh to open the hidden 10th gate.... Seriously, we should work at making sure we leave via that hidden door and not any of the nine.


Also below is a very good foreign video about the jamdoots coming to get you and what happens.
I first saw it at a sikh camp because the depiction is very close to what gurbani says....and there are nearly 400 tuks that talk about the jamdoots--->and remember Gurbani is the Truth!

There is no permanent hell as such, but if you end up in this kind of place...you don't leave until you realise and awaken to all your wrongs and this also includes emotional attachment to maya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=n8olHQMlBJo

PART 4:
The question was what happens to the souls without NAAM ,so here is the answer.
When death arrives,any disease can be the reason.Death comes by any cause.some say heart stops working,some say this nd that.No death without any cause.
When Soul leaves the body,swaas stops.The consciousness leaves the body too.
When rooh starts leaving pind(region below eyes),and comes in ANDD(above palate region .Body dies in a sequential manner just like destruction of universe/sarishti.
So when death arrives,first of all GUDDA CHAKKAR gets destroyed,here is the element of land.Prithvi chakkar meets Indri chakkar,so water dissolves the land(soil)here.Then NABI chakkar,with element of fire.when Indri chakra breaks,it meets the Nabi chakra nd Fire dries the water.above it ,is the HIRDA CHAKKAR,or shiv chakkar,here is the element of air.when Nabi chakra breaks,then air destroys fire and air meets akash.Now atma comes in ANDD.
When death arrives,entire consciousness comes in ANDD and the reward of all birth's karams comes in mind/budhhi.Next birth is based on this..Without NAAM,everything is filth.So mind filled with filth ,gets caught by kaal.what an unfortunate soul! Came from sachkhand and going with Kaal.Now,Time for death and kaal is calling come here .here is the way,come here!
This is the condition when pran comes out of PINDD leaving Nine gates.
Guru is on right side and kaal on left side.There was no NAAM/Satguru ,so no one comes to save the soul.
Now ,No other way and a voice comes from upward COme here!nd the soul is in mouth of kaal!Only the true guru/NAam is the true saviour.Without NAAm,who will help you? No one!

When KAal chews the soul in his jaws,the water flows through eyes, and There is discharge of feces.Now, this time can't be described again.
All intestines are worthless.So this is the purpose of meditation/NAAM kamai/sharan of satguru.It is the only way to be safe from such severe pain.Without true NAAM,jaamdoots carries the soul by holding his ears.No one can help then.No brother,sister,mother,no one!only a true naam can save the soul.Now soul is in hands of jamdoots and the responsibility of family members ends.Now its the time to Take reward of karams.

(To be continued)

It's not exactly a transition period,... this is about love and attachment and not every soul experiences this.
Some say that it's about 10 days or so...and some say that it's the 40 days..............But it's one of the main reasons why we shouldn't mourn and beg for the deceased to come back. ....You have to let them move on.

If the mourners and the person passed away show too much 'moh' such that it's energy overpowers the other energies, then the soul can get stuck/trapped/confused in this astral zone here and be unable to move on until it realizes.
I often see theses scenarios on that ''long island medium show'.
These souls don't have a strong inner light, so then they don't experience the stronger pull towards the light.
Your father on the other hand, felt the love and power of the light, which is why he would have moved on, and that riddi siddi long island medium, wouldn't be able to contact him!


The 'transition period', like I said, is not experienced by everyone. The bad souls, who the jamdoots come and get don't get such transition zones or feel any light.
The jiva's with a strong light energy within their souls can get the opportunity to clarify and sort out a few loose ends with loved ones. It's as if they have this extra earned energy that can only be used in this realm or left behind.. The car alarm's going off was your father's earth realm energy being left amongst us before he made his definite move towards the light direction.
So that energy got dissipated amongst vehicle electronics and it would probably have been the last physical incident of some sort of presence or may be something else may have occurred as well around that few hours time period.
It's quite common to experience lights blowing, power surges and sometimes even unfinished ardaas of donation that may have been 'sukhiyo' before the death, can make surprise appearances!
This way the person goes with their lekha without any unresolved karams left.

Interesting!
Some of you may be aware that I had experienced a NDE and was in a coma for nearly a month...but I don't go into details on an open forum.
This guy was talking about it just after a year... but in all honesty...it takes more than a few years to put all the pieces together and understand it.

I can usually comprehend the genuine NDE descriptions,so I will give my opinion on this one....and it is fairly genuine, except that I think he hasn't fully understood and realized yet !

My opinion is that he did come from one of the heavenly realms before his life on earth.
The fact, that in this life, he rejected God, the power, the divine...... is why he was susceptible to all the darker and negative energies which accounted for his numerous illnesses.

The easiest way to think of how these energies work is to think of your 'SOUL' or God energy as that which exists as a white light.
The more attached to God and the more God realized ---->>then the brighter and stronger the energy of this white light.

Stronger white light in a body---->>>makes the body less susceptible to energies of dark light... this also means poot, pret, jantar mantar, curses, black magic...and all that.... are less likely to affect such body.

Then on the other hand, if a person has hardly any white divine light in them---->>> then, their bodies are more likely to be consumed by the darker and depriving energies of ill health, disease, depression...and even suicide.

Think of "GU-RU"...from darkness to light !


He witnessed the Cosmic arrangement and from what he was trying to explain as really fast travel--->>>was about the real ''interstellar'' cosmic shift through light years of space in no concept of time!... 5th dimension!
This is how "Gobind"-(Lord of the Universe)....shows you what your existence really is.
It is tailored for each individual, which is why, No two experiences are ever exactly the same !.... OR they wouldn't be called experiences.

He said that wherever he was, "in this valley"... he felt comfortable and at home to say!....... that's because he had come from there originally, which means he was already out of lakh chaurasi before birth! (not sure if some of you will get this...can explain later)

Basically, the only way that he could move up from any of those heavens to sachkhand.. was by taking birth as a human again.... and from some of the heaven loks, you can actually do this by choice or will.

Human birth-existence, means---->>> live out or bhog your karams,, which are basically the weight that hold you into a realm.

However, his denial and complete lack of dharam (one of the four padaraths)----->>> predisposed him to the darker energies of ill-being and ill health.

But the biggie for him was the Blessing of GRACE and KIRPA by Akaal Purakh..........so that he got another chance to complete his duties.
This is HUKAM--->>>None of us can ever explain how or why.


This is what happens when you get thrown back into lack chaurasi again......the jamdoots come and club you with the iron dhandey, tie you up in shackles and lead you away as Kabirji says in gurbani.
You see, this guy was already out of the lack chaurasi from his previous janam, which is why he went straight into some lower/middle heaven lok--->>>since, he cam from there originally.

The other point is that as Guru Tegh Bahadurji describes...."This janam and life is just like a dream, when we wake up(which is when we die),-->> we realize that none of this life was real."

If you just imagine that when you are in a dream---->>It all seems quite real when you are in it...the people,.....the interactions,.... everything.... will seem like a reality in the dream state...... But, when you wake up-->>You realize that it wasn't real after all,.... it was just a dream, and now you are in the reality...dam-gotta getup in 30 mins and go to work
In the same manner,.... Death is like the waking up from this matrix illusion.


A reason why there is a difference within NDE descriptions is,.. because it depends on what and where you were from in previous janams.
Lakh chaurasi is the complete universal cycle and then there are all the heaven loks that go from lower to higher realms but there are some levels after which you cannot ascend unless you have human birth.

The ascension within realms can happen, but this is in the ones where jamdoots take you, where you have to realize, learn and accept all your dark wrongdoings.
So for eg,, you may end up in the dark pit of where all the murderer jivas are.... You will enjoy their company until you realise, accept and learn your own shortcomings and sin of murdering.....in doing so, you will be able to rise above the rest, as your inner light will get brighter.... then you move on to the next lessons.....and so on.....


The MAIN point that I can stress is that, when a soul jiva is in this Human Life form---->>> This is it's only chance to jap, meditate, get the one-pointed awareness......so that it can go straight --->>> Sachkhand.
The Direct one way plane ticket that Guru Nanak Ji has taught us-->>Nanak naam jahaz hai


In the Video, Mr Jaswal has got some idea about his mind-no thoughts-...etc...because he mentioned it a few times....But he hasn't quite said that he has deciphered the message that he must Jap and meditate. This is why he was given the second chance.


As I stated above, I don't go into details about my NDE on an open forum, but I can tell you all that the main message and duty that I came back for was ...Jap, Simran ..and bhagti on His Name.
That was the ONLY thing I knew I had to do but I had never done it previously. In fact, I was never even spiritually inclined in any way.........so it took me a couple of years to work out how to get going and do bhagti.


The Dhan/Wealth of Naam is only carried forward from this realm of human life.

Sat Sri Akaal

Interesting!
Some of you may be aware that I had experienced a NDE and was in a coma for nearly a month...but I don't go into details on an open forum.
This guy was talking about it just after a year... but in all honesty...it takes more than a few years to put all the pieces together and understand it.

I can usually comprehend the genuine NDE descriptions,so I will give my opinion on this one....and it is fairly genuine, except that I think he hasn't fully understood and realized yet !

My opinion is that he did come from one of the heavenly realms before his life on earth.
The fact, that in this life, he rejected God, the power, the divine...... is why he was susceptible to all the darker and negative energies which accounted for his numerous illnesses.

The easiest way to think of how these energies work is to think of your 'SOUL' or God energy as that which exists as a white light.
The more attached to God and the more God realized ---->>then the brighter and stronger the energy of this white light.

Stronger white light in a body---->>>makes the body less susceptible to energies of dark light... this also means poot, pret, jantar mantar, curses, black magic...and all that.... are less likely to affect such body.

Then on the other hand, if a person has hardly any white divine light in them---->>> then, their bodies are more likely to be consumed by the darker and depriving energies of ill health, disease, depression...and even suicide.

Think of "GU-RU"...from darkness to light !


He witnessed the Cosmic arrangement and from what he was trying to explain as really fast travel--->>>was about the real ''interstellar'' cosmic shift through light years of space in no concept of time!... 5th dimension!
This is how "Gobind"-(Lord of the Universe)....shows you what your existence really is.
It is tailored for each individual, which is why, No two experiences are ever exactly the same !.... OR they wouldn't be called experiences.

He said that wherever he was, "in this valley"... he felt comfortable and at home to say!....... that's because he had come from there originally, which means he was already out of lakh chaurasi before birth! (not sure if some of you will get this...can explain later)

Basically, the only way that he could move up from any of those heavens to sachkhand.. was by taking birth as a human again.... and from some of the heaven loks, you can actually do this by choice or will.

Human birth-existence, means---->>> live out or bhog your karams,, which are basically the weight that hold you into a realm.

However, his denial and complete lack of dharam (one of the four padaraths)----->>> predisposed him to the darker energies of ill-being and ill health.

But the biggie for him was the Blessing of GRACE and KIRPA by Akaal Purakh..........so that he got another chance to complete his duties.
This is HUKAM--->>>None of us can ever explain how or why.


This is what happens when you get thrown back into lack chaurasi again......the jamdoots come and club you with the iron dhandey, tie you up in shackles and lead you away as Kabirji says in gurbani.
You see, this guy was already out of the lack chaurasi from his previous janam, which is why he went straight into some lower/middle heaven lok--->>>since, he cam from there originally.

The other point is that as Guru Tegh Bahadurji describes...."This janam and life is just like a dream, when we wake up(which is when we die),-->> we realize that none of this life was real."

If you just imagine that when you are in a dream---->>It all seems quite real when you are in it...the people,.....the interactions,.... everything.... will seem like a reality in the dream state...... But, when you wake up-->>You realize that it wasn't real after all,.... it was just a dream, and now you are in the reality...dam-gotta getup in 30 mins and go to work
In the same manner,.... Death is like the waking up from this matrix illusion.


A reason why there is a difference within NDE descriptions is,.. because it depends on what and where you were from in previous janams.
Lakh chaurasi is the complete universal cycle and then there are all the heaven loks that go from lower to higher realms but there are some levels after which you cannot ascend unless you have human birth.

The ascension within realms can happen, but this is in the ones where jamdoots take you, where you have to realize, learn and accept all your dark wrongdoings.
So for eg,, you may end up in the dark pit of where all the murderer jivas are.... You will enjoy their company until you realise, accept and learn your own shortcomings and sin of murdering.....in doing so, you will be able to rise above the rest, as your inner light will get brighter.... then you move on to the next lessons.....and so on.....


The MAIN point that I can stress is that, when a soul jiva is in this Human Life form---->>> This is it's only chance to jap, meditate, get the one-pointed awareness......so that it can go straight --->>> Sachkhand.
The Direct one way plane ticket that Guru Nanak Ji has taught us-->>Nanak naam jahaz hai


In the Video, Mr Jaswal has got some idea about his mind-no thoughts-...etc...because he mentioned it a few times....But he hasn't quite said that he has deciphered the message that he must Jap and meditate. This is why he was given the second chance.


As I stated above, I don't go into details about my NDE on an open forum, but I can tell you all that the main message and duty that I came back for was ...Jap, Simran ..and bhagti on His Name.
That was the ONLY thing I knew I had to do but I had never done it previously. In fact, I was never even spiritually inclined in any way.........so it took me a couple of years to work out how to get going and do bhagti.


The Dhan/Wealth of Naam is only carried forward from this realm of human life.

Sat Sri Akaal

(Poor attempt by me.please ingnore any mistake and correct me if I go wrong)

VAANI OF TULSI SAHIB:

Here He explains the death story of a person.He writes ,when a man dies ,how his soul leaves the body and the souls who take shelter of True Guru, are saved by his purkh.
Here is complete description of how surat gets pulled at death arrival.And how saint saves his loving soul.
Really a very interesting reading!

PART 1:

SANT JEEV KI BIPAT SHURAAVAE, KARMI JEEV JAGAT Ko CHAAVAE :
Says, it's a marvellous ritual that saint wants to emancipate the soul from the prison of chauraasi,and wants him to reach his realm,where is no birth,no death ,no pain,no joy.But that unfortunate soul denies the supreme gift and just wants to stick with worldly pleasures.A saint wants him to reach the highest realm 'SACHKHAND,but he wants to get trapped again and again.

JAA KO FAL CHAURAASI MAHI, BHIN BHIN TOHE KAHO SUNAI:
Heart is sikh and The writer is guru.This is a discourse between a guru and sikh.so,Tulsi sahib is instructing heart that satpurkh wants to save the soul,but due to his mistake,he is dying and taking birth over continous intervals of time.
Now he warns the soul.he says o soul listen!I describe you the pain of death and birth.

JAB JEEV NIKARR DEH DARSAU,VOH SMAJ KI SMAJ SUNAO:
When soul leaves the body,and pain he suffers ,I describe you.It's the description of that painful time.

NIKAR JEEV TAN SHUTTAE BHAI,JAB KI BAATAEN kAHU BUJAi
SIMATT AKASH BHAAS JAB AAVE ,JAB NARRI mEIN SEET SMAAVAE:
When time of death comes,soul gets incorporated.Hands and feet get cold and nerves stop working.slowly,entire body gets cold and soul comes behind the eyes.This is the description of that time.

JAS RAB ASAT HOYE ANDHEYAARA ,PRAan PATI TAN TUK TUK THAARA
JAS RAB BHAAS GAYE UJEYASI ,THUk THUK PRAAN BHASAE TAN BAASI
When day starts,birds and animals go to their works for searching food and come back to their shelters at night-fall.In same manner,when death arrives ,the soul starts leaving the lower body.Now praan and swaas unites.when death comes,then both get seperated.

NIKSE SWAAS BHASKRAN PRANA ,YAIRAE SIMATT KAHO KAHAN SAMAANA:
Now he explains that where The ray of PRAN or jeev atma will go.

JO VO THAAV JON SAE THAAI ,DASWA DWAR BRAHM KE MAHI:
The soul wants to travel through tenth gate,and wants to merge with BRAHM,coz brahm is master of this trilok.This heart is his part.pran belongs to brahm,but the soul belongs to satpursh.pran can't cross the akash.

SURAJ BRAHM DWAR DASS MAHI,uNSE KiRAN AAND mAI AAI:
Says ray of jeev atma came from brahm.Then moved from brahm to sehas dal kawal.then from sehas dal kawal to navel region
Then from navel,the entire world originated.

KIRAN PAANCH TATT PRAN kHAYA,TATT MIL PAANCH AKASH JAGAYA:
When ray of atma did strike on five prans ,then five elements originated-air,land,fire,water,sky.

ATAM SABB MEIN BHAAS PARKASA,SoYI BHAAS KIYA TAN BAASA
MARG BHAAS JOYII MAGG AaYA ,TARAK TALUVE RAHH SMAYA:
This ray of atma crossed the way below the brain and came in eyes ,then from eyes to navel region.Then from navel to entire body.now,from the path it came,from that same path we have to cover our journey.

JAYEO PRATIBInB PARAE JAL JAYI ,AISAE BHAAS NAABH KE MAHI:
Like the reflex of sun srikes the water,in same manner ray of atma came in navel,then to entire body.

NAAB TEJ TAN MAHE SAMAANA ,ROM ROM BADAN ME JAANa:
Like,when ray of light becomes sunshine after striking the earth,in same manner that ray passes in rom rom of entire body after striking th navel.

BHAAS TEJ CHETAN BHAII KAYA,YEH BHiTTAR MEIn BHARAN BATAYA:
When,rooh(atma/soul) came in rom rom ,then man stood up and started working.

JIN GHAT SAIL KARI kAYA Ki ,BiTAR bHAID KAHEY JOYI BHAAKI:
Now tulsi sahib says,who travelled the higher realms by leaving nine gates,well knows how to travel upward and how to come back from there.

UPAR KI KEHNI NAHE MAANU,AnDAR UDHAY HOaye GHAT BHANU:
Says,we are ready to abide the sayings of person who travelled inward,but not ready to abide the sayings of ones who didnt make any inward journey.

ANDAR BHAAN UDAEY BINA,BHITARR KI KA KAHEN
BAIN BACHAN CHUnTHAY kaHeY,BIN ANDAR NEH AEIN:
If inner eye has not opened,no light has illuminated and has not travelled the inner realms ,then such person has not travelled inward.one who has not travelled yet,how can he take pictures of inward scenario?

BRAHM JEEV KRIN PRAN KAHAYa ,YeH KAYA MEIN BHAAKH BATAYA
THEEK THOUR AR THAM THIKANA ,ANDR KOI PARKH PEHCHANA
YEH SAB BAIN BADAN MEIN BHAAKHI ,SUNN KAR SAAD DAIYAIGE SAAKHI:
Says,whatever I'm talking about,is inward conversation.The saints who travellwd,will abide my sayings and other will deny it.

NIKRE PRAN BADAN SE JAAVe,JAHe SAMAY kI sANT SUNAVe:
Says,when pran leaves the body,now saint talks about it.

JAAKA ABB DHRISHTANT sUNAO,NAKAl MAHE MEIN ASAL dIKHAU:
Says now he describes the duplicate copy of the real inward reality.

JAISE PADANG GAGAN CHARR JAAVEY,DORI DAET DAET bHARR JAAVE
JAB DORI VEH KHAINCH KHILAARI,KHAInCH DOR BHOOMI PAR DAARI:
Like,a string can control the flying kite and It flies as much as a child leaves the string,In same manner soul can go upward and can come back with Inward spiritual practice.

SImATTI DOR KIYA UNN PiNDA,YEH BIDD SURAT KHINCHAE BrAHMANDA
ROM ROM SE TEJ KHINCHAANA ,SIMmATT NAABI MEIN AANA:
Atma comes in navel region from feet.

NAABI TEJ SE BHAAS UDHAYA ,JAB TAN MADD TULAVE AAYa
Then from navel,comes in palate(above the eyes)

TALUVAY SE JAB DOR KHINCHANI,JAB TATT PAAaNCH ANDD MEIN AANi:
These are 4 parts of body-ANDD,PINDD,BRAHMAND and SACHKHANd.Now soul Leaves pindd(from feet to palate),and travels through andd,brahmandd and reaches sachkhand.

KHAINCHAY DORR PRAN INCH AVEY ,KAL KAAN PAR AASAN LAaVEY:
When soul leaves,then pran leaves too.For eg: when someone leaves a house,nd if there is a tree,then birds too leave their shelters .

TO BE CONTINUED

(Bhul chuk maaf)

I'm not sure having a separate room would be gurmat, because in effect we would be creating the new 'untouchables' that were not allowed in the immediate vicinity of the core worship area.
The Gurdwara and langar area were put there to get rid of the segregation of untouchables.

I think the problem is when they have these chairs and seats set there at the back and sides.
In one gurdwara here they have the little peeriyas outside that the OAP or physical less abled can bring in or have someone bring it in and then sit on it. This way I find that only the very genuine needy persons make the effort to get the peeriyan inside and then take them back out when they leave.
Otherwise we have the chairs or seats placed in the back and some not so genuine lazy's make themselves a choice of whether to sit on floor or the chair - just because it is there and all can see it is there to be used !!

Topic is now closed. Please pm me if you have any new information on ddt origin.

There is disturbing trend among many sikhs, including unfortunately sikhs youths- i was also victim of this at one point, who are obsessive in collecting audio/books but when it comes to actually reading, translating some of it sharing the wisdom, applying the wisdom teachings we all fall short.

There is nothing wrong with collection, digitizing etc for preservation purposes for generation to come thats great we have to do that but true full advantage of it is to actually read it , provide commentary-translate and apply it in our daily lives. If we can do it on a personal level than we can encourage others to do the some to raise collective consciousness of our community into actual Guru's standard-Gurmat.

Kam (kam1825)-gurmatveechar.com/kam podcast, among singhs behind mahapurakh.com, gursevak.com, simran.info and I, amrit, tsingh, dalsingh, shaheediya, niranjana among many others by maharaj kirpa here on sikhawareness- spent many years online since 2003 to get stuff out there whether kam efforts to bringing full media collection on Gurmatveechar.com or whether its serious efforts by team on mahapurakh.com to actually do audio books of great books and translating material, or whether at here at home- sikhawareness.com many providing their own research, deep understanding of gurmat providing commentary, posting commentary screenshot from puratan japji sahib teeka.

I really hope young generation sikhs also make good effort - listening, applying deep layers of gurmat, sharing which is aleady available on gurmatveechar.com, mahapurakh.com and here at home sikhawareness.com.

But unfortunately it appears young generation sikhs are more concerned about just hoarding stuff , argue over some arbitrary nitty gritty differences in the panth, or controversy and fixate themselves to that instead. Thats why we will find more hits on controversial topics than deep layers of gurmat topic which are all deserted.

I can seriously vouch amount of deep gurmat material is out here on online web, you will rarely find in real life- western gurdwaras. So make best of cyber dharamsala (learning of gurmat-online learning center) guys.

Thanks bro,

My closing statement on this thread would be. Whilst ddt does trace back its root to tenth Guru. It cannot claim they are without outside order influence or have unbroken lineage - they are sub lineage of nirmale order-girvir samaprda(ask kam1825 for more clarification) started by sri guru gobind singh ji just like rara sahib, harkhowale samparda are sub lineage (upsamparda) of nirmale- bhai dya singh samparda.

There are 24 upsamparda's (sub sections of two major nirmale order which was started by sri guru gobind singh ji when they sent five singhs to kansi)-These two major nirmale order was formally started by Bhai Dya Singh Ji And Bhai Dharam Singh Ji under guidance of sri guru gobind singh ji.

24 upsamparada's/sub-section of Nirmala exist today all came from- Bhai Dya Singh Ji (13 sub sections) and Bhai Dharam Singh Ji (11 sub sections).

For eg

- From bha dya singh ji you have- rara sahib samparda, hoti mardan samparda, harkhowal samparda etc
- Similarly from Bhai dharam singh ji you have 11 sub branches.

With regards to finding out more about the different sampardas i suggest you read, Sikh Sampardavali by Piara Singh Padam, Bharat Mat Darpan by Mahant Ganesha Ji and the Mahan Kosh by Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha

Also see an glimpse beautiful pictorial form of nirmale order - please see attached to understand further

Gurbani tells us about spiritual avasthas of bhagats and kings like janak... and how far they got.
They were all out of lakh chaurasi and cycle of rebirths.

The degree of gurbani distortion as shown by sikhkhoj is just unexplainable and a way lot more than I previously imagined.
I have absolutely no interest in a discussion of praising or doing nindya of ddt.....They are what they are... and they don't inspire me.
Taksal means ''offcial mint'' just like money, coins or a dollar bill isn't genuine or official unless it has been endorsed with seal of mint.

It can be seen with the distortions and claims, that ddt is not the official gurmat as it claims.
The only offical seal in gurmat, is that by Guru Arjan Dev ji's Mundavani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.
Guruji sealed the gurbani for each individual soul to understand and apply to themselves as they progress themselves in sikhi. He also authorized the "Kunjhi(key)" of Bhai Gurdas jee's vaars, which we can openly use to cross reference and gain deeper understandings of bani.
He didn't leave it for any taksals or other authorities, to dictate it's meaning, just as sanskrit vedic texts were left for brahmin castes.

What does this scientific evidence show??
That women have more neurons and receptors for taste, smell, sound , vision and touch.............But what does this have to do with Lust/Kaam ?
you thinking about erogenous zones ??

It's us men that get attacked by the dhut of kaam with our unexpected risings of genitalia in the early hours of mornings!.

I know that women don't wake up with auto stimulated genitalia every 6am! ......lol..

Many of us have no idea what you are trying to prove paapiman....

It's not exactly a transition period,... this is about love and attachment and not every soul experiences this.
Some say that it's about 10 days or so...and some say that it's the 40 days..............But it's one of the main reasons why we shouldn't mourn and beg for the deceased to come back. ....You have to let them move on.

If the mourners and the person passed away show too much 'moh' such that it's energy overpowers the other energies, then the soul can get stuck/trapped/confused in this astral zone here and be unable to move on until it realizes.
I often see theses scenarios on that ''long island medium show'.
These souls don't have a strong inner light, so then they don't experience the stronger pull towards the light.
Your father on the other hand, felt the love and power of the light, which is why he would have moved on, and that riddi siddi long island medium, wouldn't be able to contact him!


The 'transition period', like I said, is not experienced by everyone. The bad souls, who the jamdoots come and get don't get such transition zones or feel any light.
The jiva's with a strong light energy within their souls can get the opportunity to clarify and sort out a few loose ends with loved ones. It's as if they have this extra earned energy that can only be used in this realm or left behind.. The car alarm's going off was your father's earth realm energy being left amongst us before he made his definite move towards the light direction.
So that energy got dissipated amongst vehicle electronics and it would probably have been the last physical incident of some sort of presence or may be something else may have occurred as well around that few hours time period.
It's quite common to experience lights blowing, power surges and sometimes even unfinished ardaas of donation that may have been 'sukhiyo' before the death, can make surprise appearances!
This way the person goes with their lekha without any unresolved karams left.

Interesting!
Some of you may be aware that I had experienced a NDE and was in a coma for nearly a month...but I don't go into details on an open forum.
This guy was talking about it just after a year... but in all honesty...it takes more than a few years to put all the pieces together and understand it.

I can usually comprehend the genuine NDE descriptions,so I will give my opinion on this one....and it is fairly genuine, except that I think he hasn't fully understood and realized yet !

My opinion is that he did come from one of the heavenly realms before his life on earth.
The fact, that in this life, he rejected God, the power, the divine...... is why he was susceptible to all the darker and negative energies which accounted for his numerous illnesses.

The easiest way to think of how these energies work is to think of your 'SOUL' or God energy as that which exists as a white light.
The more attached to God and the more God realized ---->>then the brighter and stronger the energy of this white light.

Stronger white light in a body---->>>makes the body less susceptible to energies of dark light... this also means poot, pret, jantar mantar, curses, black magic...and all that.... are less likely to affect such body.

Then on the other hand, if a person has hardly any white divine light in them---->>> then, their bodies are more likely to be consumed by the darker and depriving energies of ill health, disease, depression...and even suicide.

Think of "GU-RU"...from darkness to light !


He witnessed the Cosmic arrangement and from what he was trying to explain as really fast travel--->>>was about the real ''interstellar'' cosmic shift through light years of space in no concept of time!... 5th dimension!
This is how "Gobind"-(Lord of the Universe)....shows you what your existence really is.
It is tailored for each individual, which is why, No two experiences are ever exactly the same !.... OR they wouldn't be called experiences.

He said that wherever he was, "in this valley"... he felt comfortable and at home to say!....... that's because he had come from there originally, which means he was already out of lakh chaurasi before birth! (not sure if some of you will get this...can explain later)

Basically, the only way that he could move up from any of those heavens to sachkhand.. was by taking birth as a human again.... and from some of the heaven loks, you can actually do this by choice or will.

Human birth-existence, means---->>> live out or bhog your karams,, which are basically the weight that hold you into a realm.

However, his denial and complete lack of dharam (one of the four padaraths)----->>> predisposed him to the darker energies of ill-being and ill health.

But the biggie for him was the Blessing of GRACE and KIRPA by Akaal Purakh..........so that he got another chance to complete his duties.
This is HUKAM--->>>None of us can ever explain how or why.


This is what happens when you get thrown back into lack chaurasi again......the jamdoots come and club you with the iron dhandey, tie you up in shackles and lead you away as Kabirji says in gurbani.
You see, this guy was already out of the lack chaurasi from his previous janam, which is why he went straight into some lower/middle heaven lok--->>>since, he cam from there originally.

The other point is that as Guru Tegh Bahadurji describes...."This janam and life is just like a dream, when we wake up(which is when we die),-->> we realize that none of this life was real."

If you just imagine that when you are in a dream---->>It all seems quite real when you are in it...the people,.....the interactions,.... everything.... will seem like a reality in the dream state...... But, when you wake up-->>You realize that it wasn't real after all,.... it was just a dream, and now you are in the reality...dam-gotta getup in 30 mins and go to work
In the same manner,.... Death is like the waking up from this matrix illusion.


A reason why there is a difference within NDE descriptions is,.. because it depends on what and where you were from in previous janams.
Lakh chaurasi is the complete universal cycle and then there are all the heaven loks that go from lower to higher realms but there are some levels after which you cannot ascend unless you have human birth.

The ascension within realms can happen, but this is in the ones where jamdoots take you, where you have to realize, learn and accept all your dark wrongdoings.
So for eg,, you may end up in the dark pit of where all the murderer jivas are.... You will enjoy their company until you realise, accept and learn your own shortcomings and sin of murdering.....in doing so, you will be able to rise above the rest, as your inner light will get brighter.... then you move on to the next lessons.....and so on.....


The MAIN point that I can stress is that, when a soul jiva is in this Human Life form---->>> This is it's only chance to jap, meditate, get the one-pointed awareness......so that it can go straight --->>> Sachkhand.
The Direct one way plane ticket that Guru Nanak Ji has taught us-->>Nanak naam jahaz hai


In the Video, Mr Jaswal has got some idea about his mind-no thoughts-...etc...because he mentioned it a few times....But he hasn't quite said that he has deciphered the message that he must Jap and meditate. This is why he was given the second chance.


As I stated above, I don't go into details about my NDE on an open forum, but I can tell you all that the main message and duty that I came back for was ...Jap, Simran ..and bhagti on His Name.
That was the ONLY thing I knew I had to do but I had never done it previously. In fact, I was never even spiritually inclined in any way.........so it took me a couple of years to work out how to get going and do bhagti.


The Dhan/Wealth of Naam is only carried forward from this realm of human life.

Sat Sri Akaal

Gurbani tells us about spiritual avasthas of bhagats and kings like janak... and how far they got.
They were all out of lakh chaurasi and cycle of rebirths.

The degree of gurbani distortion as shown by sikhkhoj is just unexplainable and a way lot more than I previously imagined.
I have absolutely no interest in a discussion of praising or doing nindya of ddt.....They are what they are... and they don't inspire me.
Taksal means ''offcial mint'' just like money, coins or a dollar bill isn't genuine or official unless it has been endorsed with seal of mint.

It can be seen with the distortions and claims, that ddt is not the official gurmat as it claims.
The only offical seal in gurmat, is that by Guru Arjan Dev ji's Mundavani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.
Guruji sealed the gurbani for each individual soul to understand and apply to themselves as they progress themselves in sikhi. He also authorized the "Kunjhi(key)" of Bhai Gurdas jee's vaars, which we can openly use to cross reference and gain deeper understandings of bani.
He didn't leave it for any taksals or other authorities, to dictate it's meaning, just as sanskrit vedic texts were left for brahmin castes.

It's not exactly a transition period,... this is about love and attachment and not every soul experiences this.
Some say that it's about 10 days or so...and some say that it's the 40 days..............But it's one of the main reasons why we shouldn't mourn and beg for the deceased to come back. ....You have to let them move on.

If the mourners and the person passed away show too much 'moh' such that it's energy overpowers the other energies, then the soul can get stuck/trapped/confused in this astral zone here and be unable to move on until it realizes.
I often see theses scenarios on that ''long island medium show'.
These souls don't have a strong inner light, so then they don't experience the stronger pull towards the light.
Your father on the other hand, felt the love and power of the light, which is why he would have moved on, and that riddi siddi long island medium, wouldn't be able to contact him!


The 'transition period', like I said, is not experienced by everyone. The bad souls, who the jamdoots come and get don't get such transition zones or feel any light.
The jiva's with a strong light energy within their souls can get the opportunity to clarify and sort out a few loose ends with loved ones. It's as if they have this extra earned energy that can only be used in this realm or left behind.. The car alarm's going off was your father's earth realm energy being left amongst us before he made his definite move towards the light direction.
So that energy got dissipated amongst vehicle electronics and it would probably have been the last physical incident of some sort of presence or may be something else may have occurred as well around that few hours time period.
It's quite common to experience lights blowing, power surges and sometimes even unfinished ardaas of donation that may have been 'sukhiyo' before the death, can make surprise appearances!
This way the person goes with their lekha without any unresolved karams left.

Paapiman, please stop this crusade you are on trying to make women out to be evil, inferior, lustful, etc that you are trying to do. It's precisely THIS reason... the fact that you are trying to hard to differentiate by gender, and put one on a pedistal while the other you are trying to throw in the trash, that you can not see the jot in everyone. Until you can personally see women on the same level as you... and only see that light in everyone equally, then you will keep fighting that beast of lust within yourself. You seem to keep bringing up lust, women, how women are lustful, how women are this and that as if you are trying to blame women for all the ills in the world. I am getting the distinct feeling that you are struggling with something in yourself, and looking to blame women for your own lustful thoughts towards them. It's time to look in yourself instead of trying to blame the other gender. You almost seem obsessed with this... almost to the point of hatred towards women because of what they evoke in you!

Lucky, if you look at all of Paapimans posts on this forum it's very obvious what he's trying to prove about women vs men.