sukrit kaur

In my view,What I think as considering myself a person of very lowest awastha,is that number doesnt matter.Just talking about Jap Ji sahib Ji.You know what is the depth and meaning in Japji sahib???
Doing more and more paaths in lowest time,is not that worthy for an ordinary man.Gurmukhs could and they did so,coz they had understood the real meaning of japji sahib.They had divine glimpse of each word of Japji sahib in their inner -selves.They have achieved the true meaning,true essence.Talking personally,I used to do this in my childhood to do nitnem in 1 hour.It was due to lack of time ,to go to school.But what we have understood in fast recitation of gurbani??
Have we understood or felt the true meaning,true message yet.You know Jap ji sahib gurbani is just of 39 pauris ,and you can do it in as lowest time as you want to.but The depth,vastness,the reality,incredibility of these 39,pauris is just measureless.If we do a single pauri again gain again in a single day ,then we can't understand the meaning.
Why gurmukhs could do or do so??,cause they had achieved the truth
They had done paath in their souls.Means they did true darshan of paathh in higher realms.They had seen each word and each line of jap ji sahib in their souls.They know the divine saroop of jap ji sahib.That's why time limit doesnt matter for them.Like it's said,one who reaches sachkhand,then he can go there anytime and can come back any time.Now the realms at intervals do not matter for them .It's like making of bridge over lower realms to do straight journey any time.same in this case. They have achieved the true essence.Now they dont need to discuss the meanings again and again in their minds.It's some thing unspoken.but we ordinary men can do so,but not in that sense.To get the true meaning and to do the pathh by soul is the true purpose.Like
Take e.g. of tuk
Na oh maareh naa thaage jaye
Jin kai raam vasey mann maye
These are the simple lines. But the vastness cant be described.
Okay I've read the line in just 3 seconds.But that doesnt matter.If I want to UNDERSTAND, FEEL, EXPERIENCE, in just that 3 seconds then,its not worthy.
When I'll achieve it,Then experiencing the meaning, a WAH will come out ,not just a wah that will be word of unspoken pleasure of soul.
SO ,if we do a single pauri in whole day,in order to read the experience, the depth and start talking to divine while doing so,then its much worthy than reciting so many times the whole pathh without no real experiences.
Gurmukhs did so,cause they had made a bridge.But we have not yet.so,what I'm doing these days(may be wrong),I get katha of bhai Maskeen ji of japji sahib in my lapi.katha of each pauri is app 40 min. So doing a each pauri each day,then talking to divine again again over these particular words is just a poor attempt but still not that worthy ..
So In my suggestion,just close your eyes and start doing Jap ji sahib with waheguru Ji.Start reciting each word ,each letter with an aim of getting its true meaning ,talk to guru ji.Like your doing a conversation between ur soul and almighty. Forget about time limits.Forget about everything else! Forget about urself.Just your soul and waheguru ji in terms of words.Words of jap ji sahib.Then see whether you do 108 paaths in one day or just a One Paath in 108 days.
If you have achieved the truth ,then go for you attempt.
But the anand ,pleasure and real experience we get in discussing the paathh with supreme is much much fruitful than doing infinite prayers.
Sanak Sanat ant nhi paya
Bed parraeh parr brahmey janam gwaya
(Sanak and Sanat ,sons of brahma coulnt find the lords limits
Brahma wasted his life away continually reading the vedas)

Amazing documentary. Must watch.
 
 

Summary of what each video contains.
Akasha is the unmanifested, the "nothing" or emptiness which fills the vacuum of space. As Einstein realized, empty space is not really empty. Saints, sages and yogis who have looked within themselves have also realized that within the emptiness is unfathomable power, a web of information or energy which connects all things.
The Spiral. The Pythagorean philosopher Plato hinted enigmatically that there was a golden key that unified all of the mysteries of the universe. The golden key is the intelligence of the logos, the source of the primordial om. One could say that it is the mind of God. The source of this divine symmetry is the greatest mystery of our existence.
The Serpent and the Lotus. The spiral has often been represented by the snake, the downward current, while the bird or blooming lotus flower has represented the upward current or transcendence.The ancient traditions taught that a human being can become a bridge extending from the outer to the inner, from gross to subtle, from the lower chakras to the higher chakras.
Beyond Thinking. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We live our lives pursuing happiness "out there" as if it is a commodity. We have become slaves to our own desires and craving. Happiness isn't something that can be pursued or purchased like a cheap suit. The real happiness comes when your still and transcend the mind.

Thanks for the nomination Jaikaara but this is not something I'm comfortable doing.
Sharing experiences and knowledge (right or wrong) is one thing. Leading a sangat session is taking it to the next level for which I'm definitely not qualified. There are already slow simran broadcasts every friday on mysimran.info youtube channel if you want to follow those. Previous sessions are also up there.
Each of us does simran differently and at different paces and rhythm. Someone during their jaap might speed up which could cause others issues if they tried to match the pace. Leading a sangat group comes with responsibility of knowing what your doing and being able to guide should someone have an experience either positive or negative.
Humbly accept my apologies.

I think it's a great idea.But the distance that's between the sangat makes it little bit difficult.
I think if we can use this forum as our attendance sheet ,then it may be a better option.I think we can fix days ,then we can fix the time like 2am to 4 am(acc to our own locations),then we can do simran ourselves.Then we can put our entry here like yes I did it.I had these queries.These questions were there.I experienced this or that.I faced these difficulities.How I spent these very hours.So I think then we can have a very significant discussion.In this way ,we will be much oriented towards our goal.This will create a very inspirational environment.Little bit competitive too.Means we will feel like I gotta do this .
We can fix schedule and further plans.
Gur fateh!! 

Chapter 3: Spiritual Experiences
The apparently inseparable connection of the body and, in fact, the whole of one's life, with the physical elements of creation gets gradually loosened when one progressively advances in meditation. The force of gravitation by which one is confined to the surface of the earth, the limitations of time in the form of the notions of past, present and future, and the loneliness one feels in a corner of unending space are the essence of mortal existence. These are hard ties and difficult knots to break, and often even the possibility of overstepping their limits is beyond one's imagination. But this is precisely what the science of meditation promises and, in the end, achieves. The achievement, however, may take a long time, as several stages of the ascent to Reality have to be passed through.
In the initial stages, visions of different lustrous things such as a crystal, smoke, stars, fire-flies, lamps, glittering eyes, shining gold and light of various precious jewels, arise. These are only hints of advancement in meditation. We are also told that there will be, first, internal perception of a bright star, then a mirror made of diamonds, then the disc of the full moon, then a disc of jewels, then the disc of the mid-day sun and, finally, a sphere of fire-flames, all these coming to one's vision, one after another, in succession. It is also said that a dazzling white brilliance will be seen in the disc made visible, and a mountain of lustre flashes forth before the meditating consciousness. There can also be visions of sky filled with blue light, with dark green colour, and blood-red colour, a brilliant yellow, and ordinary yellow, respectively, at a distance of about four, six, eight, ten and twelve inches. Continued practice enables one to behold a sky which is qualityless. This further changes into a charming light of bright stars, then an expanse blazing with world-destroying fire. It then becomes consciousness-space. Finally, it assumes the form of space refulgent with millions of suns put together.
Sounds of various types are also heard in deep meditation of a high order.
First, there is a tinkling sound;
second, a more jingling sound;
third, the sound of a bell;
fourth, that of a conch;
fifth, of stringed musical instruments;
sixth, of cymbals;
seventh, of the flute;
eighth, of a large drum;
ninth, of tabor; and lastly,
tenth, of the rumbling of clouds.
Other sounds such as of the roaring of the ocean, of a sprouting fountain, of kettle-drums, of the hum of bees, etc., are also common. Celestial fragrances, celestial tastes and celestial touches of an extraordinary type come as strange experience in meditation.
In the condition of the first sound being heard, a thrilling experience passes through one's body;
in the second, a feeling comes of the limbs being tom from the body;
in the third profuse perspiration is produced;
in the fourth a feeling of shaking of the head;
in the fifth a feeling of one's palate dropping from the mouth;
in the sixth a sensation of ambrosial sweetness oozing from the location of the palate;
in the seventh comes knowledge of secrets;
in the eighth ability of celestial speech;
in the ninth divine cognition,
and in the tenth one becomes a veritable God-incarnate.
The existence of different realms or planes of consciousness is recorded in the texts on Yoga and spiritual philosophy, and the seeker has to pierce through these layers, with undaunted vigour of aspiration. It is not wholly true that 'man is the measure of things', for we are assured in the Upanishads that there are higher measures of being and these are successively more real and inclusive forms of life than the preceding layers in the series. To speak in the language of the Upanishads, (1) the lowest unit of human perfection and joy is the satisfaction of a king who is a healthy youth, robust, learned, cultured, good natured and powerful, to whom belong the entire riches of the globe. A person of these endowments is not usually seen in the world but if there is one, he is the lowest unit of delight, which would mean that man is the lowest measure of conceivable perfection. Higher than this unit, says the scripture, is (2) the Jurisdiction of perfection and joy of that class of beings above and internal to man's earth-consciousness, which have been called the mortal Gandharvas (or Gandharvas by action). Higher than this category of beings are (3) the heavenly Gandharvas, (4) the manes or Pitris, (5) the celestials or Devas by action, (6) the celestials or Devas by birth, (7) the celestials or Devas in essence, (8) the ruler of the celestials, called Indra, (9) the sages such as Brihaspati, (10) the divine manifestations as Creator, Preserver and Destroyer, known in the Puranas as Brahma, Vishnu and Siva, (11) the Cosmic Form, known as Virat, each succeeding stage exceeding and transcending the earlier one a hundred times in knowledge, power and bliss. In fact, the Virat is not merely a mathematical multiplication of the lower experiences, but the Infinite stretching behind and beyond everything, which has no measure or equal with which it can be compared, either in quantity or quality. The Supreme Reality ranges beyond even the manifestation as the Virat, and it rises further higher as (12) Hiranyagarbha and (13) Ishvara, which are its more internal and inclusive cosmical extensions. The Eternal Being, which is the ultimate Goal of Yoga, is beyond these universal manifestation still, and it exists unrelated in its supremacy as (14) the Absolute, Brahman.
It is not that a Yogin has to take graduated steps through everyone of these stages, for the planes of consciousness from (2) to (10) enumerated above are regarded as mostly intermediary levels which may have to be traversed by souls that entertain certain corresponding desires within, and this is the well-known passage of progressive unfoldment, which goes by the name of Krama-Mukti (gradual liberation), and which is detailed by means of quite a different terminology in the Chhandogya and Kaushitaki Upanishads. But this is not a uniform rule of ascent of every soul and in exceptional cases, the consciousness may suddenly rise from (1) to (11), directly, as a result of the intensity of rightly practised meditation of an impersonal nature. Even the stages (12) and (13) are not obligatory divisions in the experience that follows, and there is said to be a sublimation of consciousness, at once, from (11) to (14), since, in fact, the stages (12) and (13) are logical distinctions necessitated as the cosmic counterparts of the human states of consciousness and need not be taken to represent experiences necessarily incumbent on the seeking soul that has once reached the stage (11), the stages (11), (12) and (13) being ultimately indistinguishable from one another when one actually comes to their realisation. The many stages mentioned, nevertheless, indicate the difficulty of the ascent, as well as the extent of the progress that man has yet to make in his evolution. These are mysteries transcending human comprehension, and here our guides are only the scriptures and the teachings of the Masters of Yoga.
 
http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/medi/medi_3.html

'Sat Sree Akal Ibrute jee,
just one thing to be kept in mind:
The efforts are in one's hand to an extent, but the clicking you mention above, is in His hands.
Our duty is just to lay at His door as kookars...it is His  "mauj" as per how or when to open. 
So my advise is never ever leave His door, even if one's life goes away in doing His bhakti.
 Our concern in this spiritual matter, is only to stay  at all times in His "bhaana"
Sat Sree Akal.

Ibrute ji, .....There should be no strain !
The Idea is to have your "attention' at that point in the beginning and not to be trying to hard to physically focusing there.
From my experience only.....I would suggest that you imagine a screen in front of you when your eyes are closed. Then you can even put your finger at the point to start with, which is just slightly above the middle point of eyebrows or where women usually have their bindi.
Then, imaging you are standing at that point and step back very slowly and comfortably as if going inwards and behind your eyes,(At this point your eye muscles may move slightly and that is ok )..........Then, just put your attention right where that finger spot is and you shouldn't really feel any eye muscle motion.
You will find that the eyes will actually become 'completely still" very near there and bingo!!.......that's exactly where you want them.
The ''stillness' and focus is the key that will lead to progress and it should all be in a relaxed and effortless mode.
...Give this a try and see how you get on in the meantime..... But if you are still having difficulty trying to put your attention in one particular area whilst maintaining some stillness,.. then I can give you a few more further tips to get some practice.
 
 
 
 

As per sant jagjit singh ji harkhowale, from body relative perspective- our atma resides in third eye point during awake(jagrat state).
I found this technique below really helpful as well:
 

Sat Sree Akal ibrute Jee,
while concentrating at the eye center, middle of the eyebrows as you say, it is correct. And while being there in the darkness, without any strain, hold your attention in that darkness, and to facilitate your being there, you may repeat Wahiguru as a mantra, and as adised by some advanced practitioners here, when doing the simran, the jap of Wahiguru, listen to it carefully each time you repeat it, it means, being absorbed in  the repetition.
You see all the Akhand Jot and Anhad Shabad are already within us, it is by our concentration on this jugtee, with love and  faith, that our filth wil start being erased ..... and with His Apaar Kirpa, we shall merge in Him one day.
As the Bani says: Anter Jot, Niranter Bani, Sachay Sahib siun liv laae.
This means, within us there is constant Jot of Wahiguru, and  His divine melody in the form of Shabad, and  we, by attching ourselves to this " consciouss energy" within us, we shall have unwavering firm love, in the Lord Wahiguru Akal Purukh.
Then no matter what may come or happen, even if the whole world stays against us, we shall not doubt even for a second, on Him.
This is how Gurmukhs are, and in the same way as they did by following Gurmat, we can become one of the beloved Gurmukhs of Wahiguru.
To become one with Him, we have to become a Gurmukh, with all that implies...there is no other way, try how much hard one may.
Because if Wahiguru is one, the path leading to Him, has to be one. It can never be different for the people of different times, communities,faiths, dharmas, castes, colors or nationalities.
Outside there may be a thousand paths, but they all lead to "nowhere, there where He is in reality".
On the contrary, as the Bani says in a simple and beautifull way, for all beings, be them may from any corner of the creation, without any restrictions:
Nanak, Naam Jahaz hae, jin  chareeya, se utareeya paar. This is universal path for all times and places, be it Satyuga, Tretapur Yuga, Dwapur Yuga or even now the present Kal Yuga...
That is why the Bani says: Jug chaare, Naam outam, shabad beechar. Throughout all the eras, the path of Naam is the highest, just think about it and keep it in your mind. Guru Sahibans, have give us the daan of their wisdom in the form of their teachings, in order to put them into practice into our lives for our spirutual upliftment, but alas, we have put them into the boundaries of our manmukhta, thus we can never follow them fully, neither can we do them any justice....
Not that we have no love for Wahiguru or Guru Sahibans, there is no doubt in it...but the thing is, we have manipulated their teachings, and neither are we bothered to put them into a practical way in our lives as they wanted us to do,rather a lot of maanmat has been added to their Truth, and thus dilluted it.
Their main message in simple words  is: Ik Oankar, Satgur Parsad, Jap.
That´s it, as simple as that, and as complete as that also.
Guru Sahibans have clearly chalked out the path  for us in the line above,  to walk and reach Him.
Now the choice is ours, to be a stupid manmukh, or be a wise Gurmukh....
Sat Sree Akal.
 
 

​Staying civilized does not mean we have to pander to them, or agree with their religion.  We don't even have to 'tolerate' it if it goes against our own principles.  The Gurus showed us that when the religious values of another group directly threaten our own, it's perfectly ok to fight them.  
I agree, we can't be pansies with this.  The issue with Islam is that Muslims believe that it's their duty to convert the entire planet (or kill those who don't convert).  That instruction is written in the Quran.  Though most do not follow it, if ISIS has shown us anything in recent times, its that there are plenty of young minds willing to adopt radicalized Islam and be obliged to 'kill the kuffars' 'sell their women into sexual slavery' etc. And ISIS controlled area is actually expanding.  These things need to be watched. 
Maybe it's my military mindset (I have 18 years in the military now) that I can't just sit by and watch this happen. 

You can choose to sit passively and hope you don't hurt their feelings, if thats the case, just as in past and to quote Mai Bhago... "you can take the bangles and cook in the kitcken" because I choose to stand up and fight if need be. 
 

Oh sorry!! Brahmgyani is even sought by the lord shiva
Brahmgyani is the Lord/Nirankaar himself..

Omg!!!! You are saying that sikhism needs to follow path of fanaticism??? I think same are the thoughts of Taliban..To spread their religion with support of fear..
No bro,you are totally wrong at this place.
Sikhi is NOT just a religion,it's something which is uncomparable with any thing..
Dont spread it with name of religion..It's above above above and above of so titles..
Nirbhao paye hirde naam vasaya..
Guru sahib says to leave the all fears of mind then to love Guru maharaj.there is a very beautiful shabad in Asa dee vaar about fear.Bhaey vich Pawan  vahey sadd wao.......
 
To have NIRMAL BHAO is good but fear of katarwaad is totally  wrong..
So veer ji,I completely disagree with you at this point..
 
 
 
 

Probably I took wrong meaning.But To have fear is right,but fear should be "NIRMAL BHAU" but to,promote fear forcefully among people towards spirituality is not right.There should be fear of god,fear of bad karams,but to have  fear of particular sects like they will punish as SATKAR COMMITEE use to do is definitely not right!!
Gur fateh!!

WJKKWJKF
Veer Ji,In my view you should go to university. As you are stating it's one of the top universities,so it will greatly effect your grade of studies .The things one gets to learn in a campus ,sometime it's missing in local colleges.And when you will stay out of home,the distant relationship that builds up between family is sometime more beautiful than actual one.There will be more realization of responsibilities in both father and son.Your father may come up with new colours of responsibilities which can def effect his habit of drinking.All matters THE COURSE.Choose whether campus gonna effect your course.Talking about Rehat,then do an ardaas to waheguru Ji.We have to learn how to deal our social life with spiritual one.In future ,when you will do distant job in any MNC or in any department where you get to stay away from home,then these things will bother you a lot.So just believe yourself and do an ardass in front of SGGSJ.and you can still stay in touch with your family even staying in a hostel via phone ,video calls etc.
 May waheguru Ji show you right path!!
Gur fateh!!

It has been explained to me by a Gyani that the Gurmat Rehet Maryada actually does not have anything specifically barring women from any seva, Panj Pyaras included.  It is the interpretation that has barred women, and not the wording in the actual GRM.

It has been established on here and other sites that Damdami Taksal allow women to do every seva except for Panj Pyaras correct?  
And the argument that women are 'not allowed' to be Panj Pyaras and that it's against Gurmat, is based on the wording in GRM saying 'Five Singhs'.  However if we look further into GRM, it actually uses the term 'Singh' for every single seva!  (Granthi Singh, Ragee Singh, Pathi Singh, etc.):

So which is truth?

1) Women are barred from ALL seva by Damdami Taksal; or
2) The use of the term 'Singh' is used in the same light as 'Man' is used for mankind - that is to say both genders inclusive. 

If the first is true, that means that women are not welcome to do any seva (except maybe cook for the men.... how typical). Yet, many of you said that DDT Gurdwaras you have been to do not bar women from akhand paaths, kirtan etc.  So are they going against their own 'Gurmat'? It also would not make sense that Singh is used to mean 'males' only, while limiting women from nearly all seva - because in Gurmat Rehet Maryada itself it has this very line:


So, Damdami Taksal themselves point out that gender was eliminated with creation of the Khalsa.  Of course we know gender physically was not eliminated, just like one's brith family (caste) has not physically changed either.  What have been eliminated are the man made differences attributed to people because of these things. Perceptions, illusions, used to purposely limit and control, and restrict people.  To create a man made heirarchy.  That was what was eliminated.  And Damdami Taksal agrees... even on the gender issue!  So they would be hypocrites if they told women on the one hand that gender perceptions used to limit them were removed with creation of the khalsa, but then told them 'Nope sorry men only' when it comes to seva.  So the Gurmat Rehet Maryada would have a HUGE discrepancy... or does it?!
Humans in all languages tend to use one gender to refer to the whole species, male and female inclusive.  We say the Lion species... but mean both Lion and Lioness.  We say Geese to mean both Goose and Gander, we say Man to mean mankind, both man and woman. In the same way Singh is used to mean both Singh and Singhni. This is further supported by Gurbani:
Page 735, Line 6
ਬਕਰੀ ਸਿੰਘੁ ਇਕਤੈ ਥਾਇ ਰਾਖੇ ਮਨ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਿ ਭ੍ਰਮੁ ਭਉ ਦੂਰਿ ਕੀਜੈ ॥੩॥
Bakrī singẖ ikṯai thā▫e rākẖe man har jap bẖaram bẖa▫o ḏūr kījai. ||3||
The sheep and the lions are kept in one place; O mortal, meditate on the Lord, and your doubts and fears shall be removed. ||3|| 
In the above, the term "Singh" is not used to denote male Lions only... but instead the Lion species both genders.  
Page 809, Line 19
ਸਿੰਘੁ ਬਿਲਾਈ ਹੋਇ ਗਇਓ ਤ੍ਰਿਣੁ ਮੇਰੁ ਦਿਖੀਤਾ ॥
Singẖ bilā▫ī ho▫e ga▫i▫o ṯariṇ mer ḏikẖīṯā.
The lion becomes a cat, and the mountain looks like a blade of grass.
 Again we see that the term "Singh" is being used to speak of the lion species... not of only a male lion. 

There are many more references as such in Gurbani.  

So, in conclusion, the term Singh in the Gurmat Rehet Maryada MUST mean inclusive of both gender... Singh and Singhi, or else there is a huge discrepancy because its pointed out in GRM itself that perceived inequalities, man made differences in caste, colour, creed - and it even specifies gender - were eliminated by creation of the Khalsa. When one becomes Khalsa, they become on equal level with all other Khalsa.  We also know that many DDT run Gurdwaras have women doing seva for akhand paaths, kirtan etc. (because several of you have posted on this forum that you have witnessed it with your own eyes). Paapiman you also specifically stated you have no problem with women doing seva other than Panj Pyaras.  
This means that 'Singh' in Gurmat Rehet Maryada whenever its listed pertaining to seva must mean BOTH genders.  And since the section for Amrit Sanchar and selection of Panj Pyaras, also uses the exact same terminology without any further descriptors, the use of the term 'Singh' there must also mean inclusive of both genders.  This is further supported by the fact that there is actually no specific statement barring women from participation as one of the Panj Pyaras. I dare you to try to find it because you won't. There is not even one single line in Gurmat Rehet Maryada that comes out and says women can't perform ANY specific seva, that includes being one of the Panj Pyaras!  
So (paapiman) to say that having women do any of this seva is against Gurmat is dead wrong.  There is nothing in even GRM that says women are prohibited from anything at all.  And the use of the term "Singh" is as the same as "Man" is used for mankind - it means both genders.  If it did not, there would be specific prohibitions against women written in GRM but there isn't.
So women being barred from anything is not Gurmat.  It's how "males" have been interpreting it to use it as a means to denigrate Sikh women and rob them of equal status that Gurus gave them.  When Sikh Rehet Maryada was written, this came up and that's why it was specifically written in there that women were allowed to be Panj Pyaras. Because it's so 'grey' in the GRM and other RMs and because they needed it in Black and white so it would not be abused / misinterpreted to rob Sikh women of their rightful place... BESIDE Sikh men (not beneath).  
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All of the above was from a well known Gyani who came to our Gurdwara for several weeks. 
PS -  was surprised as he was trained by DDT and I FULLY expected my questions to be not taken seriously. I expected him to look down his nose at me like Paapiman does  But I was highly surprised!  He also said that you have to remember this RM was written for a 'school' which comprised males. So the terminology was written to encompass the male students who did all of the seva.  It doesn't mean that women were not allowed, nor were they ever meant to be disallowed.  There just weren't any women students when it was written. Now that women fully participate, that terminology is understood to mean both Singh and Singhni.  Apparently there are girls in DDT now too.  He did acknowledge that its being wrongly construed to mean only men can do seva.  But they forget that it was written when only men were part of this sect.  Being a Gyani and DDT, he also did not put down SRM either!  He said it was best attempt to get the truth on to one document.  He obviously agrees with the 7 banis... but he disagrees with the interpretation of GRM being taught because when you actually read it, there is no actual restriction on women, even for being one of the Panj Pyaras.  
So yes, GRM does respect women, but many DDT members / Sants / Babas / do not.  (well except that worship husband as God bit - it should read that both should see each other as God) Its how these babas interpret it, and not GRM itself which is disrespecting women.  They are using the fact that women are not specifically mentioned, to justify denigrating them. I didn't see it before, but since it was pointed out its hard to ignore!  GRM actually does not prohibit women from ANY seva, Panj Pyaras included!
By the way Paapiman have you ever eaten at a restaurant? ;) 
 
 
 

​Actually its only against certain sects Gurmat.  If a Bibi wants to be part of Panj Pyaray there is actually NOTHING in Gurbani or otherwise that prevents it.  Even in the so-called Gurmat Rehet Maryada itself, the use of the word 'Singh' denotes both Singh and Singhni just as the word Lion means Lion and Lioness.  Because every seva in the so-called GRM is mentioned 'Singh' yet both do other seva as some have pointed out.  So that is not excuse.  Also, absence of proof is not proof of absence... its only SOME Sikh's opinion that Guru Ji meant to discriminate women.  There is no proof.  Also, majority of panth agrees that women can be part of Panj Pyaras.  So if she wants to,  instead of trying to tell her 'nope no girls allowed' just point her to somewhere that follows the PANTHIC rehet maryada... the Sikh Rehet Maryada, the ONLY Rehet Maryada accepted by Akal Takht!  What Damdami Taksal does should not be forced down the throats of the rest of the panth.  They are sect only.  
So if a Sikh woman wants to follow GURBANI, and be seen with a single eye of equality, and participate in Panj Pyaras, which is NOT against Gurmat (outside of DDT etc) then she can do so RIGHTFULLY anywhere that follows Sikh Rehet Maryada.  So don't speak as if GRM is the only RM and that everyone should follow it.  
 

Acc to me " Jatt" is one of the castes which have to face the  harships of reservation quota system in India..lol..

​Kattar meanes:
- Never do ninda of anyone
- Never say lies
- Follow Rehat maryada
- Never earn by dishonest means
- Don't make fun of others
- Don't engage in slander and libel
- Be polite and humble
- Respect other humans
- Don't be racist
- Don't look at other women with lustful eyes
- Don't make fun of other religions
- Don't get angry at small issues
- Don't brag about yourself
- Don't be greedy
- Don't forget nitnaym
- Always give daswandh
- Don't be jealous of anyone
- Share your food
- Don't praise yourself
- Don't expose anyone (if no greater good is present)
- Don't be overly attached to worldly things
- Don't listen to your own praises and feel good
- Always expose your bad deeds and talk only about the good deeds of others
- etc
Hope, it is clear now.
Bhul chuk maaf
Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh
 
 
 
 
 

Wow... I am not surprised by the comments from paapiman...  anyway here are some things I found: 
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I saw all the videos again. 
that was just DISGUSTING!!!
People are so caught up in their egos & anger, that they forget the respect or fear of Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj!
And the police coming & wearing shoes in Darbar. shame shame.
Desi people only know how to pull each others leg, if they are such daughters/sons of lions then they should take panga with the likes of Indian government etc etc.
 

First of all,what ever happened in a GURUDWARA,in presence of satguru Ji is totally INSANE..
In The way the people came and starting asking questions in aggresive tone was not right.
secondly the issue they raised was totally right.The sentence WOMEN ARE APPAVITAR is totally wrong.
I dont believe in any man made rules.All to follow is GURBANI- voice of NIrankaar.I can quote many and many shabads which deny yhis statement.This is Islamic concept.Guru Nanak patsah cleared everything.
and when we are talking about hygiene that is a complete different issue.Concept of hygiene implies on everybody irrespective of one's sex.
What I think when one is trying his/her best to maintain physical hygiene then it's no longer an issue with one's spirituality.
Secondly when they talked about issue of piles ,I got very disappointed at that point.If one is suffering from a disease ,then who is responsible for his sickness?? Of course he not!!! So why to apply restrictions on one's spiritual life.Bhai Randhir singh suffered from Piles(correct me if Im wrong),then shouldnt he stop doing pathh or his bhagti?? I dont think so!! 
As some members are saying that if one is patit or mona or so called eye brow shaver then what?? All matters is his/her spiritual life.The kamai he is doing.The love he has in his heart.The prem.No ego!!!
 
So I think Women are pure if their hearts arr pure and they know how to maintain physical hygiene.
Come on guys!!!
Leave the islamic approach!!
We are sikhs, not MUSLIMS!!

Sat Sangat or Sadh Sangat,
as far as I understand, it is, (we all) the sangat, the congregation; in the company of the Sadh, the Gurmukh, the Brahmagyani, in whom, the Primal Truth is present or manifested.
You see, the sangat by itself is in darkness, and even if more and more darkness gets together, this will not produce even a tiny spark so to say.
It is by being near, the Torch, the Fountain of Light(Gurmukh), where we get the benefit of coming out from darkness, to the realm of Light(Sach Khand).        
Not physical Light, but spiritual Light(Jot), which dispels, the braham, the maya, over our heads, and at the same time, brightens our way, our horizons, in order to reach and merge in Wahiguru Akal Purukh.
Sat Sangat, othey jaaniye, jithe iko Naam vakhaniye.
 
Sat Sree Akal.
 
 

Reading this post reminded me of this shabad
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI31FibaB_E
 
I think one will know , the importance of life when blessed with the almighties blessings. What is true and what is not , what is love and to whom you share it with . Whether you have worldly pleasures or not .... your mind,body and soul will be content not rushing around here and there