Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?

[paapiman]

On 10/12/2020 at 6:39 AM, ragnarok said:

Haumai naavay naal virodh hai. Doay na vasai khataey.

wjkk wjkf

Bro, is the above a Gurbani verse?

Are you referring to the tuk below?

 

ਹਉਮੈ ਨਾਵੈ ਨਾਲਿ ਵਿਰੋਧੁ ਹੈ ਦੁਇ ਨ ਵਸਹਿ ਇਕ ਠਾਇ ॥
haumai nāvai nāl virōdh hai dui n vasah ik thāi .

 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Sat1176]

Bhai Balbir Singh warns against trying to awaken Kundalini or if your experiencing spinning sensation internally or hearing it. 

https://www.facebook.com/100003234266996/posts/3836247373159700/

 

[ragnarok]

17 hours ago, paapiman said:

wjkk wjkf

Bro, is the above a Gurbani verse?

Are you referring to the tuk below?

 

ਹਉਮੈ ਨਾਵੈ ਨਾਲਿ ਵਿਰੋਧੁ ਹੈ ਦੁਇ ਨ ਵਸਹਿ ਇਕ ਠਾਇ ॥
haumai nāvai nāl virōdh hai dui n vasah ik thāi .

 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Yes. 

 

Idk if its gurbani

[hsingh6]

17 hours ago, paapiman said:

wjkk wjkf

Bro, is the above a Gurbani verse?

Are you referring to the tuk below?

 

ਹਉਮੈ ਨਾਵੈ ਨਾਲਿ ਵਿਰੋਧੁ ਹੈ ਦੁਇ ਨ ਵਸਹਿ ਇਕ ਠਾਇ ॥
haumai nāvai nāl virōdh hai dui n vasah ik thāi .

 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

This is a hukam from Guru Amardas in Raag Vadhans on Ank 560. A link is posted below

https://www.sikhitothemax.org/shabad?id=2155&q=hnnvh&type=0&source=all&highlight=24618

 

[ragnarok]

On 3/28/2021 at 2:54 PM, hsingh6 said:

This is a hukam from Guru Amardas in Raag Vadhans on Ank 560. A link is posted below

https://www.sikhitothemax.org/shabad?id=2155&q=hnnvh&type=0&source=all&highlight=24618

 

Thanks I can never find anything on sikhitothemax. Even copy pasted the gurmukhi paapiman posted.

[Ragmaala]

On 3/27/2021 at 11:36 PM, Sat1176 said:

Bhai Balbir Singh warns against trying to awaken Kundalini or if your experiencing spinning sensation internally or hearing it. 

https://www.facebook.com/100003234266996/posts/3836247373159700/

 

So basically focus on the navel area, and do anulom-vilom pranayama, and it can take few months to settle the kundalini.  So afterall its not bad to have experience in some pranayama exercises for physical well-being and balance. 

[paapiman]

8 hours ago, ragnarok said:

Thanks I can never find anything on sikhitothemax. Even copy pasted the gurmukhi paapiman posted.

wjkk wjkf

Bro, try this website.

KhojgurbaniApp

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Sat1176]

9 hours ago, Ragmaala said:

So basically focus on the navel area, and do anulom-vilom pranayama, and it can take few months to settle the kundalini.  So afterall its not bad to have experience in some pranayama exercises for physical well-being and balance. 

Not quite anulom-vilom. He quotes the pangti

sūr sar sōs lai sōm sar pōkh lai jugat kar marat s sanabandh kījai .

Heat up the sun energy of the right nostril, and cool down the moon energy of the left nostril; practicing this breathcontrol, bring them into perfect balance.

He is only inhaling via right nostril (sun) and exhaling via left (moon). You do not alternate.

[Guest ragmala]

14 hours ago, Sat1176 said:

Not quite anulom-vilom. He quotes the pangti

sūr sar sōs lai sōm sar pōkh lai jugat kar marat s sanabandh kījai .

Heat up the sun energy of the right nostril, and cool down the moon energy of the left nostril; practicing this breathcontrol, bring them into perfect balance.

He is only inhaling via right nostril (sun) and exhaling via left (moon). You do not alternate.

thanks for the clarification ji

[Sat1176]

I'm hearing a lot recently about breath retention with simran i.e. kumbakh from a number of different sources. I heard about this many years ago but never gave much attention to it.

Gurbani contains the pangti:

When the breath was held in 

jab kumbhak bharipur leenaa.

 

then the anhad sound began to vibrate.

tah baajay anhad beenaa.

 

Sant Waryam Ji Singh gave this instruction.

Left Inhale 3 recitations of Waheguru 

Hold (x2) 6 recitations of Waheguru 

Exhale 3 recitations of Waheguru 

 

Guru Maa gave this instruction (number represents the number of times you recite the mantar). Start with the lowest set then work yourself up as your endurance increases.

Inhale    1           2          3

Hold     4            8          12

Exhale   8          16        24

Hold     2            4          6

 

Bhai Simranjeet Singh Tohana and other gurmukhs from Gurmat Meditation are also saying that one should practice this breath retention when thoughts are causing issues. They don't give counts but just say do what is comfortable for each individual.

e.g. Inhale, hold breath at navel and jap Waheguru as many times as you can, then exhale. Take few normal breaths then repeat.

Anyone doing this is part of their practice? I'm not very good at it as my lungs are not that good at holding the breath. Probably need to practice slowly.

[Ragmaala]

On 5/25/2021 at 6:03 AM, Sat1176 said:

Sant Waryam Ji Singh gave this instruction.

Left Inhale 3 recitations of Waheguru 

Hold (x2) 6 recitations of Waheguru 

Exhale 3 recitations of Waheguru 

So basically its a ratio of 1:2:1.  

I was never able to find a good resource teaching on kumbakh, 

Swami Rama Ji was really close with Sant Waryam Singh Ji. I find him to be genuine, so I follow his methods. I do this about 10 mins in morning. Here are two vides that helped me. might help you as well. 

 

[Lucky]

On 5/25/2021 at 3:03 AM, Sat1176 said:

r gurmukhs from Gurmat Meditation are also saying that one should practice this breath retention when thoughts are causing issues. They don't give counts but just say do what is comfortable for each individual.

e.g. Inhale, hold breath at navel and jap Waheguru as many times as you can, then exhale. Take few normal breaths then repeat.

Anyone doing this is part of their practice? I'm not very good at it as my lungs are not that good at holding the breath. Probably need to practice slowly.

you may be doing this in a slightly forced fashion

When you are going into steady state sehaj, then the breathing would be shallow and heart rate would also drop. At this stage it's quite easy to hold after an inhale and let the breath out very slowly whilst doing gurmantar. You don't wanna breath in -->hold with force-->and then exhale with relief. Trick is to breathe in, hold for few seconds or longer .-->and then let the exhalation occur very slowly.  This way, you don't end up taking a long gasp for air when letting go of breath hold.

Try the Rom Rom technique first, especially at the navel. Should feel the pulsation and doing gurmantar with it will help provide support for prana. ( ਪ੍ਰਭ ਜੀ ਤੂ ਮੇਰੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਅਧਾਰੈ ॥Parabẖ jī ṯū mere parān aḏẖārai.)

Personally, I'd recommend practicing rom rom technique as it goes hand in hand with khumbak. As soon as breath is held, rom rom gets prominent and shabad gets louder instantly.

[seattlesingh]

@Lucky can you describe the rom rom technique? 

 

[Lucky]

11 hours ago, seattlesingh said:

@Lucky can you describe the rom rom technique? 

 

below is an old post describing the technique that I used to get rom rom going...

Should attempt this when one becomes adept in saas saas .. and can go antarghat.  By this stage, one should be hearing some anhad sounds.

Getting rom rom pargat will help make deeper states of simran much easier. Let me know if you have problems. I'll try my best to advise according to my own tried & tested experiences.

 

 

[gsm52]

Great and Happy to see Lucky Ji Back  

[Guest Guest]

After meeting God, can a human take rebirth? He does not need to go into different joons?

Guru Nanak Dev Ji told moola Khatri that I will come again so it means Enlightened person can come again. But when we read Gurbani, many times it says Janam Maran dukh nasaa so there is no more birth and death. my question is then if there is no birth or death then what’s left?

Jeev atma does not take any physical body then what it does?  Can you request God to send you again in human form without having to go into different joons?

[GurjantGnostic]

On 9/30/2021 at 12:25 AM, Guest Guest said:

After meeting God, can a human take rebirth? He does not need to go into different joons?

Guru Nanak Dev Ji told moola Khatri that I will come again so it means Enlightened person can come again. But when we read Gurbani, many times it says Janam Maran dukh nasaa so there is no more birth and death. my question is then if there is no birth or death then what’s left?

Jeev atma does not take any physical body then what it does?  Can you request God to send you again in human form without having to go into different joons?

One no longer reincarnates by compulsion in ignorance. Those that wish to return for Seva do so, but they are no longer part of the birth and death lifecycle. They do not lose their knowledge or connection with Akal and they are not born in ignorance when they choose to take a body. 

[SunnySingh]

On 9/30/2021 at 8:25 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

1)After meeting God, can a human take rebirth?

2)He does not need to go into different joons?

3)Guru Nanak Dev Ji told moola Khatri that I will come again so it means Enlightened person can come again. But when we read Gurbani, many times it says Janam Maran dukh nasaa so there is no more birth and death. my question is then if there is no birth or death then what’s left?

4)Jeev atma does not take any physical body then what it does?  

5)Can you request God to send you again in human form without having to go into different joons?

Following are my views of your queries:

1) No, because the soul jeev atma has reunited and merged into that Supreme Being who is beyond births and deaths, who is ajoonee.

2)  No because if he goes into any joonee, be it even the state of Vishnu Jee or any other avatar or prophet,  then what was the need to devote to the Highest Being Waheguru Akal Purukh.

You see the bhakti of the Highest who is ajoonee, takes you directo to Him for once and ever, not any other wise or means or substitutes.

3) If Guru Nanak told anybody that He will come back, that is because, He being the manifestation of Waheguru Akal Purukh as it has been hapening since Aad Jugad, comes time after time, to deliver the message or jugtee of how to attach ourselves to that Aad Sach, Supreme Truth known as Satnam.

He may for sure not come in the same swaroop as 600 years back, nor same family, nor place of birth, that is entirely upon His Mauj, the main thing is to recognize that Power of Sat Shabad, for that we have to go to Gurbani, to check if it is Truth or falsehood, for that we have to carefully read and understand each shabad Guru Jee tells us in Gurbani, and nos just blindly recite it as parrots.

But then too, I suppose it will be very difficult, for our petty mind, for we are so used to see who talks, and pay no attention to what is talked about. We get fueled very quickly and in out of ignorance and fear, we may harm or abuse that Bhagat, Sant Jan, Gurmukh, like many misbehaved with our Guru Sahiban, for not recognizing and understanding what they said, but stuck into their deep ignorant manmat.

Nobody can ever recognize a True Gurmukh, a Guru da pyaraa, unless he catches us by our arm and pulls us towards him.

The reality of any saint, mahapurukh, is not in their outer appearances or attire, it is more to their close union with that Satnam, when one goes within ourselves in the spiritual realms, and see their Noor or Shabad swaroop.

4) Jeev atma does not take any body, because then the drop of  water has merged into the Infinite Ocean of Truth, Satnam and become one with IT.

It is no more a drop, but, it has become the Ocean itself by His apaar kirpa.

5) The question of requesting anything just does not arise, because, as said above, before, the drop of water under delusion was a limited individual, but now having shattered those barriers of maya and mind with the guidance of Shabad Guru, has become one with that Sat Shabad/Satnam.

[sevak]

On 9/30/2021 at 1:25 AM, Guest Guest said:

After meeting God, can a human take rebirth? He does not need to go into different joons?

Guru Nanak Dev Ji told moola Khatri that I will come again so it means Enlightened person can come again. But when we read Gurbani, many times it says Janam Maran dukh nasaa so there is no more birth and death. my question is then if there is no birth or death then what’s left?

Jeev atma does not take any physical body then what it does?  Can you request God to send you again in human form without having to go into different joons?

No point in worrying / discussing this. You will be whatever your mind want. इंशाल्लाह 
 ਅਲਖ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ 
 

 

[Mooorakh]

BwgTVy hir sMq qum@wry ijn@ Gir Dnu hir nwmw ]

bhaagaThaRe har sa(n)t tum(h)aare jin(h) ghar dhan har naamaa ||

Your Saints are very fortunate; their homes are filled with the wealth of the Lord's Name.

 

 

 

 

prvwxu gxI syeI ieh Awey sPl iqnw ky kwmw ]1]

paravaan ganee seiee ieh aae safal tinaa ke kaamaa ||1||

Their birth is approved, and their actions are fruitful. ||1||

 

 

 

 

myry rwm hir jn kY hau bil jweI ]

mere raam har jan kai hau bal jaiee ||

O my Lord, I am a sacrifice to the humble servants of the Lord.

 

 

 

 

kysw kw kir cvru Fulwvw crx DUiV muiK lweI ]1] rhwau ]

kesaa kaa kar chavar ddulaavaa charan dhooR mukh laiee ||1|| rahaau ||

I make my hair into a fan, and wave it over them; I apply the dust of their feet to my face. ||1||Pause||

 

 

 

 

jnm mrx duhhU mih nwhI jn praupkwrI Awey ]

janam maran dhuhahoo meh naahee jan paraupakaaree aae ||

Those generous, humble beings are above both birth and death.

 

 

 

 

jIA dwnu dy BgqI lwiein hir isau lYin imlwey ]2]

jeea dhaan dhe bhagatee lain har siau lain milaae ||2||

They give the gift of the soul, and practice devotional worship; they inspire others to meet the Lord. ||2||

 

 

 

 

scw Amru scI pwiqswhI scy syqI rwqy ]

sachaa amar sachee paatisaahee sache setee raate ||

True are their commands, and true are their empires; they are attuned to the Truth.

 

 

 

 

scw suKu scI vifAweI ijs ky sy iqin jwqy ]3]

sachaa sukh sachee vaddiaaiee jis ke se tin jaate ||3||

True is their happiness, and true is their greatness. They know the Lord, to whom they belong. ||3||

 

 

 

 

pKw PyrI pwxI Fovw hir jn kY pIsxu pIis kmwvw ]

pakhaa feree paanee ddovaa har jan kai peesan pees kamaavaa ||

I wave the fan over them, carry water for them, and grind corn for the humble servants of the Lord.

 

 

 

 

nwnk kI pRB pwis bynµqI qyry jn dyKxu pwvw ]4]7]54]

naanak kee prabh paas bena(n)tee tere jan dhekhan paavaa ||4||7||54||

Nanak offers this prayer to God - please, grant me the sight of Your humble servants. ||4||7||54||

Ang 749

[Guest Guest]

Thanks for answers....

[kidsama]

On 9/30/2021 at 12:25 AM, Guest Guest said:

Guru Nanak Dev Ji told moola Khatri that I will come again so it means Enlightened person can come again. But when we read Gurbani, many times it says Janam Maran dukh nasaa so there is no more birth and death. my question is then if there is no birth or death then what’s left?

Jeev atma does not take any physical body then what it does?  Can you request God to send you again in human form without having to go into different joons?

Good question. We are all prisoners. We did not chose to take birth and play out this game. Even if you are born into heaven, you are still chained. Goal is liberation to become free, to ascend. To do that we raise your vibration and light-en up mentally/physically. Anyways your question is what happens after, if there's no birth and death. You become a free soul, you can go anywhere, your natural state is 1 billion times more joyous than, lets say, king of the whole world in perfect health.

Don' you read gurbani? There are countless indescribable worlds, there's no end. Also your desires are fulfilled, and at the same time you are desire less. Just peace. Maybe then you "merge" with God consciousness. Its simply complete freedom. 

[Sukhpreet Kaur]

Gurus , Awatars come as Jeewan mukatas on Earth.. unlike we people they are not bounded to karmas.. They come on Earth to liberate jeevs like us.. I have heard from a brahmgyani that paramatma is always present on Earth in sargun form(sometimes as saints, sometimes as brahmgyani, sometimes as Awatars)..In Sukhmani Sahib also it's written Brahmgyani aap nirankar.... as nirgun he is everywhere.. 

[GurjantGnostic]

On 10/17/2021 at 7:32 AM, Sukhpreet Kaur said:

Gurus , Awatars come as Jeewan mukatas on Earth.. unlike we people they are not bounded to karmas.. They come on Earth to liberate jeevs like us.. I have heard from a brahmgyani that paramatma is always present on Earth in sargun form(sometimes as saints, sometimes as brahmgyani, sometimes as Awatars)..In Sukhmani Sahib also it's written Brahmgyani aap nirankar.... as nirgun he is everywhere.. 

While roles appeared to be played the Ten Guru Saibhan were Nehkalank, Akal Purakh themself. 

[SunnySingh]

On 10/18/2021 at 11:35 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

While roles appeared to be played the Ten Guru Saibhan were Nehkalank, Akal Purakh themself. 

So glad to see that at least there is someone who is enougly blessed, to recognize that there is no comparison of any entity to Guru Jee, the highest expression of absolute and ultimate TRUTH.

EKAS BIN SABH DANDH HAE.

GURU, GOBIND, DAU KHARAY, KAAKAY LAGUU PAAY, BALHAREE GURU APNAY JIN GOBIND DHEEO BATAAE.

If no Guru Jee, then Gobind(God/Lord) not possible for anybody, even if, not 10, or 100, or even countless avatars may come. 

 

Following are some lines dedicated to beloved Guru Jee:

Mera Man Lochai gur darshan taa-ee

Bilap karay chaatrik kee ni-aa-ee

Trikhaa na utarai shaant na aavai

Bin Darshan Sant pi-aaray jee-o

Hao gholee jee-o ghol ghumaa-ee

Gur darshan sant pi-aaray jee-o

 

Tayraa much suhaavaa jee-o sahaj dhun baanee

Chir ho-aa daykhay saaring paanee

Dhan so days jahaa too(n) vasi-aa

Mayray sajan meet muraaray jee-o

Hao gholee hao ghol ghumaa-ee

Gur sajan meet muraaray jee-o

 

Ik gharee na milatay taa kalijug hotaa

Hun kad milee-ai pri-a tudh bhagavantaa

Mo-eh rain na vihaavai need na aavai

Bin daykhay gur darbaaray jee-o

Hao gholee jee-o ghol ghumaa-ee

Tis sachay gur darbaaray jee-o

 

Bhaag ho-aa gur sant milaa-i-aa

Prabh abinaasee ghar meh paa-i-aa

Sayv karee pal chasaa na vichhuraa

Jan Naanak daas tumaaray jee-o

Hao gholee jee-o ghol ghumaa-ee

Jan Naanak daas tumaaray jee-o