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This a some what difficult to explain without breaking someone's sharda, which is not my intention, in these types of jaaps that gurmukhs and mahapursh encourage. I have hardly heard anyone say when doing mool mantar, do so with complete dhyaan (focused concentration, awareness on the words). What is given emphasis is the count you have to complete. You can do a million recitations at super speeds but if your concentration is not locked on what is being said and it is one big mumble going on the mind or voice, then I'm sorry it probably won't bare any fruit. I feel this is not made clear to abhiyasis when these jaaps are encouraged. Yes it is better than not doing anything and whilst you might build up stamina and be able to sit for long periods the key point is where was the mind when doing these jaaps? What mahapursh hope is that over time your concentration levels will increase automatically after which time you can progress to gurmantar.
 
 

Welcome back, and you got it!   I have a huge problem trying to explain this to people because they can't seem to grasp it. You have to "surrender" and leave ego behind. No questions, no what if's, no what is this or what was that? ... Just devote and give in to the jaap with NO INTENTIONS or CONDITIONS.  The only pre-condition must be that I wanna see and be with my maker.. Just like bhagat dhanna. He could have sat in front of anything you gave him and would have still seen his malik because his intention was completely pure and there wasn't  an ounce of mayavee condition.      I have had countless gursikhs saying I can't progress, I've taken amrit, do nitnem, do sukhmani, do hour of simran...but still feel stuck.  When I ask them what their real intentions are  ie. what is the ardas? do they do it just for sukh shanti and peaceful bliss? ...is it for success? ,  riches, happy relationships,  happy marriages??   The answer is always yes.  Then I tell them that they are doing a sodhha based on conditions and they need to look within.   You can't get enlightened with pre-conditions of maya.  Our ardas is not an introductory prelude for a list of wants and wishes to add on at the end; sadly this is what we make it.   
I know of one guy who started seeing the brahm jyot and reaching heights of advanced experiences; simply by sitting down with complete surrender and love in the heart. He used a part visualisation that I mentioned a long time ago to imagine his consciousness shrinking into a small dot and completely letting go of his body. He amended it slightly to putting this dot of awareness directly into the heart chakra area in centre of chest and doing jap with heart beat.  No conditions, no wants, no ardas list, except asking forgiveness for wrongs and surrendering of mann into-> the heart/Atma.

Read this and the meditation experiences thread
 
 

I think Jaggi is at the mercy of the Punjab police and their political and legal system.
The way they are conducting this investigation it is becoming more and more obvious they have no intention of releasing him anytime soon. For each case they try to pin on him, police have up to 15 days to question him after which time he must be sent into judicial custody. Police then have up to 90 days to which to prepare a case and press charges or he must be released for that case. The way the police are systematically keeping him in their custody by starting a new case every time one judicial remand starts just shows they intend to harass him for some time to come.
It doesn't look very hopeful that the Foreign Commonwealth Office can do much. According to their website it looks like they can't do jack as it is not their jurisdiction to interfere in another countries legal system as flawed as it maybe.
I was surprised to learn that he is not even entitled to have legal representation during questioning. His solicitor only meets him for 1 hour each day.
What the FCO and British consulate can’t do
The FCO and British consulate won’t be able to:
get you out of prison or detention help you get special treatment offer legal advice, start legal proceedings or investigate a crime pay for any costs as a result of being arrested forward packages sent by friends or family to you prevent authorities from deporting you after release get involved if you are a dual national and are arrested in a country for which you hold a valid passport, unless there’s a special humanitarian reason to do so  
PS. Welcome back N30.
 

Oh shit bro! Where have you been!

Yea it's me. I like this id better it's less self centric and more unified.

Last night before I fell asleep I wrote that response to you saying I prefer to stick with naam simran above all else, even if it means keeping Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji feet out of Dhyan. I did not know if it was even right to say such a thing on this forum and was in two minds about whether I should reply to you or just keep quiet. What happened. Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji himself came in my dream. I'm won't go in the details of the dream but will say the dream ended at exactly that point where I placed my head underneath his charan and I'm crying like never before. I awoke from the dream physically crying and shaking due to the intensity of the experience.  Even as I write this the pain in my chest is still there and the tears continue to roll down. 
My what a strange journey of the mind this is. Even if it was a dream, being with Guru ji for that period of time was bliss and I am thankful.
Dhan Guru Nanak Dev ji. 

You can make effort on this side, but once the surti crosses over into deep sleep you are no longer in control. You will have to patiently wait for His grace, and it will happen when you least expect it.

I've really been confused about this topic for the past few weeks so I thought I would ask about it. I tried looking through other topics but because my knowledge/terminology is limited I kept getting even more confused. Could someone help me understand what the types of sleep are?
 
I commonly drift into a sleep where there is complete stillness and peace but many gurmukhs have said to try and stay awake/focus on jaap. I recently came across this video and it gives a decent explanation of what happens: 
 
 
But my question is - is any spiritual progress being made in this sleep? Why don't I hear anything in this sleep? What has to occur on a sukham level for sound to arise? I think the main confusion has to do with the fact that the mind is "still" (while in that sleep) but there is no sound - But I thought sound would be heard when the mind is still. Many other sounds are heard outside of sleep but none of them are true shabad. 
 
Just as an FYI - these are just questions that I keep having and want to clear them up. I'm not trying to stay in sleep for long periods of time. It happens frequently but I go back to gurmantar as soon as I'm awake. 

I had a pretty cool experience yesterday that I thought I'd share. I was sitting on a bench in my school's library. It was around 9:50 am and I needed to kill time until 11. Saas Saas was automatically going so I just started following it and focusing on the internal jaap. I started to hear my heartbeat as the mind was getting quieter and then the jaap started to transition to the heartbeat. Eventually, the focus got so strong that I would get absorbed into the jaap, thoughts would stop and I lost awareness of everything around me. Then moments would come where my curiosity would notice what's happening and everything would stop and I'd go back to saas saas. At one point I was absorbed in the heartbeat and it felt like someone lightly punched me around the navel area (this was the only time something other than thoughts caused my focus to break). The focus on the heartbeat was on and off until eventually, it got so strong that I completely knocked out. I woke up around 11:15 feeling so much peace and mental stability.  
I remember someone posted an analogy where they said the power from baikhri bani is like 1 unit, madhma 100 units, pasanti 1000 units etc. I never understood this but after what happened yesterday I think I know what they meant. 
 
 

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Your replies are always so spot on.
 
I remember you mentioned something about hearing voices and mumbling once (I couldn't find a link to the post). But this has begun as well. But again the mind does not react to the experience. It's a very careless attitude. The voices are just mumbles, it does not seem like there's a meaning behind the message.
 
Saas giras/saas saas have become so smooth with the breath. All day and night it's on automode. Just like the way the heart beats and the breath flows - gurmantar is on automode. 
 
Sound starts blasting whenever I'm in a quiet place. Esepcially throughout the night. I talked to a few gurmukhs when I was away and they said this isn't sacha shabad yet. I'm under the assumption that it's dev lok shabad because the mind goes into a satoguni state of mind. But during this time is when the intoxication takes over. 
 
In katha gurmukhs always mention that once saas giras/saas saas start going day and night, the next stage is for shabad to start. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens in the next few weeks. 
 
Spending time with sangat and gurmukhs was the best thing I've ever done. Ever since I came back everything has been progressing faster than ever. Going into sunn is so much easier. Life is spent in the present moment and the feelings of shaanti are priceless. The only desire is the desire to go back home and see my father. We need to learn how to live in tregun during the day but go home to our father at night. 

Recently, whenever I concentrate my awareness fully during meditation my body starts to shake very much. when my concentration breaks the shaking stops. if, however my concentration does not break my body starts moving. e.g. this morning i was concentrating with full focus and my head started to tilt backwards and then to the left side when my concentration broke my head was tilted all the way to the left. my back was also straightening up then it curved a bit inward. at that moment i could hear the naad over loud music; the naad was loudly sounding in both of my ears. does anyone know why this happens? it will be greatly helpful thank you. 

What you are trying to describe is explained in gurbani, particularly Anand sahib.  Read carefully from pauris 6 onward and especially pauris 10,11,12 onward.
In short, the disassociation, the "so what"... "don't give a hoot"  is because of the association with Naam. Getting attached to Naam means getting detached from maya (Emotionally).  When you start getting attached to Naam and start following this connection, then it becomes the beginning of Bhagat path. This is where Anand sahb says "bhagati ki chaal narali"  because a little later in that pauri it says....
ਖੰਨਿਅਹੁ ਤਿਖੀ ਵਾਲਹੁ ਨਿਕੀ ਏਤੁ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਜਾਣਾ ॥
Kẖanni▫ahu ṯikẖī vālahu nikī eṯ mārag jāṇā.
The path they take is sharper than a two-edged sword, and finer than a hair.
This is similar to the advait vedanta you mentioned above. To walk the path of non-dualism is the very fine line that's not either side of khanda..
 
I can talk a lot  more about it and I know it's a lengthy period of confusion. When i was feeling similar and at times questioning my own sanity, I became at ease after being reassured by a gurmukh. I was told to ask myself and answer if "My mind felt more purified than previous and less clouded ?"    You should ask yourself the same.   
 
SPOILER ALERT!!!  Only after your mind becomes more purified, will your own Jyot (Anoop jyot) become pargat. This is also refereed to as "Jhill mill" because it is this jyot saroop of the mnd that "mils" (merges) with Waheguru jyot

I hope this isn't just me but doesn't life ever feel pointless? Especially when it comes to consumerism and human interaction. 
 
It seems like either I'm going crazy or everyone else is. All of a sudden it feels as if everything is boring and pointless. Eating, sleeping, showering, having friends, relationships, families, social media, having fun, etc. Especially in my age range the norms that people chase include; finishing school, trying to get married, buying nice cars, going out and having fun with friends. I've tried so many of those things... I even went out and bought an Audi with a manual transmission because I thought it would lead to a bit of a thrill... it's fun on a superficial level but deeper down it also seems so pointless. There are no cares or worries about laws or societal norms either. I don't think I'd ever do something illegal, but even so there is no care about being penalized. Nor is there care about authority. People talk about addictions and impulsions - but I look at that and it all just seems very odd. Then there are people searching for their life's purpose - but even that just seems so irrelevent.
 
During these past few days I've become so bored interacting with friends and family. There's no care or worry about anyone or anything. It's like all of a sudden I just don't give a shit about anything. I am definitely not in depression because there is no sadness but when I google the symptoms it comes up as depression. Spiritually everything seems like it's on track. But now when experiences arise they also seem pointless. This body, this breath, these concepts of dhyaan and inner cleansing... it's as if all titles and labels are gone. 
 
Sadness, happiness, sukh, dukh, anand... all of these come and go but deeper down there's something that just does not care about any of them. I'm not sure if this links with the philophy of advaita vedanta or if I'm just going crazy. If I talk about this around people they tell me to go see a psychiatrist. 

Hanji. Found that rabb da Banda Lucky paji here.. he has helped me a lot.. So thankful to him and waheguru ji 🙏🏻

Good question.
The answer  or the answers are all in Gurbani.  Bani is the Guru, and the guru shows the sevak/student if they are following and treading the path to light correctly or not.  What you will find in Gurbani is "NISHANEES"...("Insignia") There are so many of them and a  lot of them are written esoterically in multilevel mystical shabads. This is because everybody's experiences will be unique and different to the student next to them.  A certain student may get an asserting confirmation as they may be able to relate to it in one way or the other.   This is why it is important to read gurbani, sing gurbani, listen to kirtan whilst doing your own inner recitations of bani as much as possible.  Bani says....Nit uth gavoh prabh ki bani, aath pahar har simrahau parani.  
Many early nishanees can seem quite physical like tasting Amrit rass.
Sweet nectar of amrit before naam is usually a nishanee for a taste of whats to come and to confirm that Waheguru is listening and acknowledging. This is often mistaken with amrit that comes later (naam amrit) , which is a whole different ball game that impels many different changes.  The cycles of sounds(pavan shabads NOT anahad shabads) are also nishanees of channels/naadis opening up inside in order to activate the central sukhmana channel upwards.
 
 
 

 
 

Yes my mid section is chubby. 
My Dharan seems to shift to the right. Got my mother to massage it a couple of times and the aches in the legs and feet have subsided. Mine happens when I lift heavy objects. 

Bro how much katha do you listen to in a day

It's actually quite a good question. I think it's more to remind us when we see such photos. You would think their avasta has transcended above the need to use such tools. 
 

I would also say that a mala is a symbol of bhagti.
Maybe mahapursh use it as a reminder to keep some of their surti connected to naam/paath, during the time the are out in public and way from their bhoras. Maya always tries to cast it's net in various ways.
Rest is their mauj.

It's actually quite a good question. I think it's more to remind us when we see such photos. You would think their avasta has transcended above the need to use such tools.