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Kavi Santokh Singh Jee wrote what he wrote based on what he heard. Every saakhi he heard whether it was verified or not, he just wrote it down which is why it is not considered a Sikh canonical scripture. We Sikhs determine which Sakhi is reliable by testing it if it is in line with Sikh canonical writings which are SGGSJ, writings of Guru Gobind Singh Jee, Bhai Gurdas Jee, Bhai Nand Lal Jee. While Kavi Santokh SIngh Jee's monumental work is respected by the Panth, but no Sikh considers it to be a canonical Sikh scripture while Muslims consider the Hadiths to be canonical along with the Quran.

The hadiths by Bukhari are considered the most reliable sources on the prophet mohammad. Unlike Kavi Santokh Singh Jee, bukhari did not just blindly write down every thing he heard. He diligently verified each and every thing before writing it which is why the followers of Prophet Mohammad beleive in the Hadiths as the most reliable sources there is about Prophet Mohammad. Bukhari himself was no ordinary man, he was actually a genius, they say he had all these Hadiths memorized by heart. Non of the Hadiths can be said to contradict the other Islamic canonical writing which is the Quran.

It's really strange that you as non Muslim are questioning validity of the Hadiths, while Muslims who literally LIVE ISLAM and die for Islam as true believers in the message of Prophet Mohammad and his Quran beleive it to be the most reliable source on Mohammad.

But the difference is, neither prophet Mohammad nor the writers of the Hadiths were Brahmgianis. A Brahmgiani is not some small entity. What to talk of prophet Mohammad, a Gurmukh Brahmgiani is greater than even Brahma, Vishnu or Shiva.

You said:


The only valid and primary historical sources on the life of the Prophet Mohammad are the Quran and the Hadiths. But on another thread you dismissed Quran and Hadiths suggesting that they may not be reliable since they do not show prophet Mohammad in a positive light. You cannot just pick and choose when you want to use the Quran and Hadith card when it suits your argument. If you accept the Quran and Hadiths then you must accept that Prophet Mohammad was a pedophile, mass murderer, slave owner and trader, rapist, forcible converter and warlord.

If the Hadiths say he was all of those things, when why is it difficult to accept what Sant Jee said to be the truth?

Waheguru Ji
 
Bhai Kahn Singh's house, 'Virjesh Bhavan,' in Nabha. Here, he completed his magnum opus, the Mahan Kosh.

 
Guruduwara Nagina Ghat on the bank of the Godavari river, c 1930.

 
ਮੂਛਨ ਪਰ ਤਿਨ ਦੀਨੋ ਤਾਉ । ਕਹਯੋ ਨਗਾਰਾ ਦੇਹੁ ਬਜਾਉ ।੨੦। 
He twisted his moustaches (in a gesture of self- confidence) and ordered 'Strike the battle-drum.'

 

 
Watercolor painting of Darbar Sahib, c. 1860

 
A rear view of Takhat Hazoor Sahib c.1895

 

 
Harmandir Sahib - the Golden Temple of Amritsar, 1833

 
Source: twitter link
 

It does.
That magic power is known as meditation.
Chaupai Sahib -
Sunai moord chit laye chaturta avaee.
Listening to this Chaupai, the ignorant will become intelligent.
One of the best ways to raise your IQ is to meditate, learn to focus and master your attention.
Meditate on this shabad from Sukhmani Sahib -
Prabh kai Simarani Riddhi Siddhi Nau Nidhi.
Prabh kai Simarani Gyan Dhyan Tatua Buddhi.
Simarani means "In Simaran" - in Remembrance.
In Remembrance of God, is the Spiritual treasures (Riddhi Siddhi) and Material treasures (Nau Niddhi).
In Remembrance of God, is Knowledge (Gyan), Meditation (Dhyan), Essence (Tatua) and Intelligence (Buddhi).

I just wanted to share rara sahib and hotimardan stance on mool mantar in this thread and it seems pretty interesting and unique- sants from those samparda's beleive in mool mantar is up to Gurparsad and rest is shalok but then it ask jaigaso to jap until - nanak hosi bhi sach ||. I am bit curious about this myself. My take is because to reduce intensity of mool mantar itself? What you guys think?

Anyway, here is portion of atamik bachan divan of sant isher singh ji rara sahib talking about this- i was looking for this for long time, finally found it as i was requested multiple times to post it up on the internet some time ago on the forum.



www.2shared.com/audio/dAAHQzgA/Sant_Maharaj_ji_view_on_mool_m.html?

Wjkk wjkf!
Just wondering if Brahm Kavach is to be recited 32 times a day (which I have read some nihang singhs do) or just once. I counted the "praises" and if I did it right there are 32 so I'm wondering if it means reciting these 32 praises daily or read these praises 32 times. Here is the translation I have: 
ਖੜਗ ਖੰਡਾ ਅਸੀ ਅਰਿਗਰ ਧਰਮ ਰੱਚ ਤੱਗ ਛਤ੍ਰੀ ॥
Kharag, Khanda, Asi, Arighar, Dharam Rach, Tag Chatri 
You are the twelve fist long double edge sword, ten fist long khanda representing Mahakal, double handed sword, Enemy of the Throat, guardian of Dharam, caste string of a Kshatriya, meaning sword belt
 
ਬਿਸ਼੍ਵ ਪਾਲ ਭੂਪਾਲ ਪੱਛ ਪਲ ਭੱਛ ਰਣ ਕੱਛ ਅੱਤ੍ਰੀ ॥
Bishva paal, Bhupaal pachh, Pal Pacch, Rann Kacch, Atrri.
You are the, Nurturer of the world, Devour of Kings, Devour of time, Preserver of honour on the battlefield, weapon adorning warrior
 
ਰਾਜ ਮੰਡਾ ਅਤਿ ਪ੍ਰਚੰਡਾ ਈਸ੍ਵਰੀ ਕਰਵਾਰ ਹੈ ॥
Raj Manda, At Parchanda, Isvari Karvar hai
You are the adorner of kingdoms, Extremely fierce, Sword of Shiv Ji
 
ਸ਼ਕਤਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਿਮੀ ਬੈਸ਼ਨਵੀ ਭਵਾਨੀ ਤੂੰ ਤਰਵਾਰ ਹੈ ॥
Shakti, Brahmani, Baishnavi, Bhavani, toon Tarvaar hai
You are Parbati, the wife of Shivji, Saraswati, wife of Barhma, Laxmi, wife of Vishnu, fierce form of Parbati, 
 
ਨਿਤ ਜਿਯੋਤੀ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਦਾਇਕ ਧਾਰਾਧਾਰ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ਹੈ ॥
Nit Jeyoti, Mukht Daeik, Dhaaraadhaar, Kirpan hai
You are the the eternal flame granter of salvation, Sharp edged sword the merciless sword
 
ਚੰਡਕਾ ਮੰਡਕਾ ਮ੍ਰਿਤਕਾ ਜਗਤ ਜਨਨੀ ਕਾਲਕਾ ਗੁਨਖਾਨਿ ਹੈ ॥
Chandka, Mandkaa, Mritkaa, Jagat Janani, Kalika, Gunkhaan hai 
You are angry eight armed warrior goddess Chandi beautifully adorned Chandi
mother of the Earth mother of the world, dark form of chandi, treasure mine of virtue
 
ਭਵ ਮਾਨਕਾ ਖਲ ਹਾਂਨ ਕਾ ਰੱਤ ਪਾਲਕਾ ਜਗ ਮਾਨ ਹੈ ॥
Bhav Mankaa, Khal Hankaa, Rat Pankaa, Jag Man hai 
You are the good virtue to the world defeater of evil ones, drinker of blood, pride of the world

ਇਹ ਕਵਚਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਕੋ ਬਤੀਸਾ ਪਢੈ ਜੋ ਨਿਤ ਛੱਤ੍ਰੀ ॥
ehai kavicha brahma ko batisaa paddai jo nita chatari      
That Kshaytria (warrior) who reads this Kavach of Brahma of 32 (praises) daily
 
ਰਣ ਜੀਤ ਲੈਹ ਨਿਰਭੀਤ ਰਹਿ ਰਿਧਿ ਸਿਧਿ ਪਾਵੈ ਅੱਤ੍ਰੀ ॥
rann jeet laih nirbeet rahi ridh sidh paavai aatri
(He) will attain victory on the battlefield, remain fearless, and attain Ridhi Sidhi (yogic spiritual powers)
 
ਲਹਿ ਬੇਦ ਭੇਦ ਜੋ ਪਢੈ ਬਿਪ੍ਰਬੈਸਯ ਧੰਨ ਸੁਖ ਸੰਪਤਾ ॥
lahi beyd bheyd jo paddai biprabheisy dan sokh sanpataa
A Brahmin who reads this will know the secret of the Vedas, and a Vaish who reads with will attain comfort of wealth and family.
 
ਧਨ ਧਾਮ ਤਨ ਅਰੋਗ ਸੂਦਰ ਪਾਇ ਸੁਖ ਅਕੰਪਤਾ ॥
dhan dhaam tan arog soodar paae sokh aknptaa 
Wealth, home, and a body without ailments [all] of beautiful unswerving comfort [is attained through contemplating this mantra].

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.
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Akal Sahai. Vaheguru Ji ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji ki Fateh. 
..and better yet sit your happy behind down and stay. Thank tou. 

Don't leave veer ji you are a true inspiration for us. What will happen without veer ji is terrible to think about 

If everyone would have thought in this manner there would have been No Gurbani, No Kabeer ji di, Fareed ji di or any other Bhagat bani for that matter. 
Why can't you be happy if you are getting to read few very  very nice things which have been missing on this forum since years now.. 
These kind of posts has disheartened Lucky veer ji, sat veer ji and others away from this forum. 
Please i request you and others agreeing to this post
- Shut UP -
pls let me and other hungry souls get some food for spirituality before I die of dryness in this pond till I don't find the DariyaaO / GurSagar myself. I am sure I will... He loves me- he shows it every time every day I am the blind one stuck up in the dirty mud of maya.. But he is kind, he will pull me just like he pulled out my bro @HisServant. It was such an amazing experience. I felt so relatable, though  I am only at a very lower step than you.  Many Congratulations to you in achieving such success at this age, keep going this is a never ending journey.... your words were really motivating, I felt if you can why can't I, after all m his loving daughter He loves me too. He will surely take me alonger too
Thankyou Heartily my brother @HisServant pls keep me updated and motivated, if you feel just 1% what these kind of posts say  pls send me a personal  message. I will be most thankful.. 
Lots of Love ❤ and asees veere

"There is an extensive thread on Tapoban discussing the Babbars opening fire on Sant Jee, alternatively, older members of the Sangat who associate or link themselves with the Taksal will confirm this, unless of course they are trying to “keep panthic unity” as it was pointed out to me by one ardent UK Taksali. "

Could you please post a link to this thread, ji? I searched for it but couldn't find it.

Interesting book. some qoutes:
According to India Today206: 'Whereas Bhindranwale has publicly disowned each act of the extremists, the Babbar Khalsa openly claim credit for most of these, barring the killing of Hindu bus passengers and that of Atwal.'

"In one of his speeches, Sant Bhindranwale said209: 'Day before yesterday, a farce was enacted here at Akal Takhat. After getting some tape-recording done by someone, he was called to the Akali stage and made to say that Bhindranwala was conspiring to get him killed. His name is Sukhdev Singh; people often call him Sukha. They say that I have hatched a conspiracy to kill him.' "

When some Punjabi newspapers published information concerning death
of Sikh young men, most of whom died while in police custody or in ‘fake’ encounters, the
Punjab Government approached the Press Council of India to enlist its co-operation against its
own members, the Punjabi newspapers. The Council, assuming that the official view of the
situation in Punjab was the correct one, dutifully ignored the protestations of its members and
recommended that the Government set up proper arrangements to provide authentic information
to the press211. The Government not only continuously harassed newspapers like the daily Ajit,
the Akali Patrika, and Charhdi Kala but also regularly fed disinformation to the newsmedia. A
Times of India article212 revealed: ‘Often and unwittingly... journalists fall prey to the
government disinformation which suavely manages to plant stories... The confusion gets
compounded when government agencies also resort to feeding disinformation on letterheads of
miltant organizations since there is no way of confirming or seeking clarifications on press notes
supposedly issued by militants who are underground and remain inaccessible most of the time.’
The writer went on to report: ‘A group of journalists, including myself, had called on the former
governor to lodge a protest against the registration of a case against the Times of India and the
Punjabi daily Ajit, last January. After hastily apologising and promising to withdraw the case
“shortly” (that the case was ultimately never withdrawn is a different story), the governor had
sought the journalists’ co-operation in tackling the militants. “Don’t publish press notes that
preach violence against an individual, an organisation, etc. but you are free to publish their press
notes that encourage inter-gang rivalry, “ he said, adding “We have drawn up a plan for
disinformation to be issued on the militants’ letterheads. We hope that you will co-operate”.’

One of the most amazing Udasi Mahapursh, I heard so many stories about them from Sant Hari Singh Ji Randhawae Walae. they lived for 150 years according to Sant Kishan Singh Ji Rara Sahib Walae. Will try to find my books i am sure there are a number of stories about them

IDK if Kalki Avatar will come.
 
But IMHO we shouldn't care whether he comes or not. We should focus on the present. I know some Sikh who just sit on there couch and say blank will come you just wait. Don't wait for someone to come and fix it. Try to fix it yourself.

Hmmm....It looks like it could have more than one interpretation.
Still feel that God created a male and female for a reason...

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BRIDH NARAJ KAHATU MO STANZA

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Forbidden works will always be performed; the saints abandoning the path of dharma, will look for the path of prostitutes;

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The friendship of a queer type will wash and destroy the sanctity of friendship; the friends and enemies will go together for their self-interest.26.

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Amongst the works of the Iron Age will be the eating of the uneatables, the things worth concealing will come in the open and the dharma will be realise dform the paths of unrighteousness;

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The kings of the earth will do the work of destroying dharma; the life of adharma will be considered authentic and the bad actions will be considered worth doing.27.

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The people will neglect religion and the bad religious path will prevail everywhere; forsaking the Yajnas and the repetition of the Name, people will repeat the worthless mantras;

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They will unhesitatingly consider the actions of adharma as dharma; the saints will roam with dubious mind and the wicked people will move fearlessly.28.

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The people will perform the actions of adharma, abandoning the actions of dharma; the kings will forsake the weapons of bow and arrows;

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Making the announcement of wicked action, the people .will roam unashamedly; there will be misconduct on the earth and the people will perform useless tasks.29.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh There is no place for gay marriages in Sikhism. One of the most important functions of a sexual relationship is to procreate. You tell me brother, how will two males procreate naturally?
Having said the above, there is no discrimination against gay people in Sikhism. The doors of the king (SATGURU SRI GURU NANAK DEV JEE MAHARAAJ) are open to all.

Take care.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Hanji @Soulfinder Satnam is one of the powerful mantra.. It's a Guru Mantra for Kabir panthis. Kabir ji used to japp Satnam. As per Nanaksar maryaada they call satnamji before entering anyone's room. - be it Guru Sahib ji's room when they bring Parshaada etc
It's an important part of our Mool Mantra as well. His Name is pious and powerful in any form, panth or language. 
 

Brother, I started doing this Jaap for a minimum of 32 times daily.
I had some experiences during this time, involving the jot quite literally dancing to chandi Di Vaar ( unexplainably shapeshifting and gaining huge flame at times) and upon completion of the Bram Kavach, the jot would always be finished exactly when I finish. Regardless if I did a Jaap of 32 or 52 or even 108.
I plan on continuing this Jaap for the rest of my life
I also wanted to know if so long as your hair is washed, can you Jap this baani any time, any where after you've completed your 32jaaps

I thought all Hadiths agree that Muhammed Sahib used to be an avid practitioner of Dhikr (Zhikr)?

I don't think correct logic and sharda are contradictory.

Repeating a complete shabd or Gur/Mool Mantre is 100% logic. How does one revise for an exam - by repitition - we engrain gurbani on our mind through repitition - next thing to do is vichaar and understand it.

Repeating Gods name - keeps us God focused - and that focus affects all our thoughts, decisions and actions - logic.

Repeating bani enables us to memorise it - hence negating the use of numerous gutke when quoting or pothi when doing kirtan - logic.

In my view are Guru's were completely logical - it is for their supreme and pure logic that I have sharda.

Niranjana keep your sarcasm to yourself. Giani Thakur Singh has had the sangat of many mahapurash and kamai wale gursikhs , and you can feel the rass from his katha as well. He doesnt make up stuff from himself. Baba Harnam Singh ji rampur khede wale used to do jaap of this shabad and that is very he learnt about the benefits of doing jaap of this shabad. He speaks from his experiences not just make up stuff.

And I haven't ever heard about sobha singh tale. and how do you know if its a myth , do you have the capability of sensing someone's spiritual advancement ?

Anything that you cannot seem to understand seems like mythical and fairy stuff to you eh. I don't have to go on convince you about anything , you have your own way of examining things or set of beliefs.

There are 'stories' (accounts/sakhis/folktales - depending on your take) of the late and much respect Sant Attar Singh Mastuanewale reciting this 'Chand' repeatedly during his time at Hazoor Sahib (I believe the foremost propagator of this story is one 'Sant Baba' Maan Singh - who most will no doubt remember for his alleged 'sex slaves' incident a few years back).

The late 'Yogi Bhajan' and his 3HO with their usual 'new age' influenced Sikhi chant this as part of their special morning 'sadhana for the aquarian age' (supposedly Yogi-ji knew that the chants that form part of this 'sadhana' were the best selection until 2012 - not sure if this has anything to do with the London Olympics). According to 3HO, this offers 'protection' and was used by Guru Gobind Singh alongside a particular 'Yoga' exercise peculiar to Yogi Bhajan's Kundalini Yoga when training his Khalsa Troops.

You can recite it out loud or silently, kamai is considered to be greater when recited silently.

It's for protection, for shaheed singhs to do rakhya. Gyani Thakur Singh explained it to me thus, Think of Mool Mantr as the raja, and this mantr (Chachri Chand, Tav Prasaad) as the general.

My understanding is that any Gurbani can do anything, but different shabads tend to have a greater thrust in a particular direction.

🙏

The Gayatri Mantar (after its Sidhi) had the power to redeem a person of heinous sins, which included killing someone. Rikhi Vishisht jee (Guru of Sri Ram Chandar jee) amended the mantar to reduce its effectiveness, as people could misuse this mantar in Kaljug. It originally had 32 letters.; now, it has 24. Even the Khalsa Gayatri Mantar has 24 letters in it.
 
Bhul chuk maaf

You don't like Gyani Thakur Singh jee's style of Katha?
Thanks
 
Bhul chuk maaf